Originally posted by CaptainStoic
.Wrathful Dwarf, it is impossible even in comics for Superman to fly that fast in earths atmosphere, or he would kill everyone on the planet.
So you do acknowledge that Superman is capable of such cosmic force...that implies he does have the power to do it. Would he use it agaisnt the Hulk? Not on a planet where there is life...so Hulk better thank his lucky stars he's on earth.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I was under the impression that in the year 2000, Superman could move at near light speed.
Yes, it was in Heavens Ladder that Post-Crisis Superman was said to be anywhere near light-speed in his normal form. I wasn't trying to undermine anything else you said. I just wanted to point out that the Superman in those scans could not move at speeds approaching the speed of light.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Speed-blitz beat Mongul. And that was AFTER Superman had Mongul exhaust himself. As far as I see, neither WWH nor classic Juggernaut succumb to fatigue. I doubt they'd ever use speed-blitz as an argument, carver9. That theory would have holes the size of Texas in it.BFR is something different altogether. But then again, theoretically, Nightcrawler could beat WWH and classic Juggernaut with BFR. Straight up knockout for either of these two? I'd like to see their arguments before passing judgment...
read through this forum, it has been brought up so many times that its ridiculous, they even brought up superman racing against the flash but the sad thing was that the only speed that was quoted in that race was 2000mps.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So you do acknowledge that Superman is capable of such cosmic force...that implies he does have the power to do it. Would he use it agaisnt the Hulk? Not on a planet where there is life...so Hulk better thank his lucky stars he's on earth.
I would love to see the proof of this because I dont think that it could happen and again hulk durability>>supermans.
Originally posted by carver9
read through this forum, it has been brought up so many times that its ridiculous, they even brought up superman racing against the flash but the sad thing was that the only speed that was quoted in that race was 2000mps.
Over 2000mps, and that was near the beginning of the race. Afterwards Wally began moving faster, and was ahead of Superman for a few seconds, but Superman did eventually catch up.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
So you do acknowledge that Superman is capable of such cosmic force...that implies he does have the power to do it. Would he use it agaisnt the Hulk? Not on a planet where there is life...so Hulk better thank his lucky stars he's on earth.
That would be completely out of character for Superman do on any planet. Also noted is that King Hulk isn't just any ordinary person, and it would take more than this to kill him, or even put him down.
At the end of Anihilation Terrax is seen displaying power enough to destroy a planet, but his best effforts were nothing to someone that was put through the wringer by King Hulk (Sentry).
Wrathful Dwarf, I am a huge Superman fan, but evidence points towards King Hulk being able to hold his own against him. He's just that damn tough.
I agree that if Superman could get King Hulk into space it would be a simple victory, but if he fought him like he often does with other bricks, it's just not going to be a stompfest in his favor. Also take into account that King Hulk can breathe in a vacume, as seen when he was on his way back to earth atop the Stone Ship.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Yes, it was in Heavens Ladder that Post-Crisis Superman was said to be anywhere near light-speed in his normal form. I wasn't trying to undermine anything else you said. I just wanted to point out that the Superman in those scans could not move at speeds approaching the speed of light.
but he was still space traveling at enormous speeds. He was going through space just fine like he is currently doing. There is nothing that states that superman is flying light speed now except calculations that you all are using. It has never been stated on panel or even said out of superman own mouth that he can go the speed of light. The last words that came out of supermans mouth about speed was this, "that beam goes the speed of light, Im nowhere near that speed". If you have anything after that where superman is shown turning to light due to him moving so fast or even stating that he can go that fast, please let me see it. Dont put that crap that you always post of characters moving through the galaxy at tremendous speed because we have settled that. I have posted scans of vulcan flying from one side of the universe to the other in less then a week but show nothing that make me even think that he can go the speed of sound. People flying across space is a trick that almost every character that can breathe out of space has performed.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Over 2000mps, and that was near the beginning of the race. Afterwards Wally began moving faster, and was ahead of Superman for a few seconds, but Superman did eventually catch up.
So tell me, what speed do you think they were running at, they were accelerating but even if they boost there speed up by a mile that is still accelerating. I would like to know though, what speed do YOU think they were going.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Um are you OK? Did you just say Hulk's Durability.. Superman?Thanos>>Hulk.
Thanos got hurt by a black hole.
Superman survived a double black hole.
I would love for you to show me wwh getting one shotted by anyone because I can name a couple of instances where superman seem to get one shotted.
I think that hulks durability is>thanos and >>supermans. Trust me, what killed superman wont come close to killing hulk. Hulks healing factor is in its own league.
Originally posted by Rorschach
Yes, it was in Heavens Ladder that Post-Crisis Superman was said to be anywhere near light-speed in his normal form. I wasn't trying to undermine anything else you said. I just wanted to point out that the Superman in those scans could not move at speeds approaching the speed of light.
Gotcha. What I was pointing at is that even someone as slow as Pietro when compared to Superman could tag King Hulk all day long, but lack the power to put him down.
King Hulk was exponentially more powerful than any other incarnation of the character, and can be seen on panel, actually shaking helicopters around while in the air, and all he did was stomp.
King Hulk is a dangerous opponent because of his power to become more powerful, as he is agitated. What better way to agitate him than hit and run tactics?
Originally posted by carver9
but he was still space traveling at enormous speeds. He was going through space just fine like he is currently doing.
What the hell are you talking about? Superman was standing still, with the rest of the JLA, when it was stated that he could race a photon to it's target. In the 90s, Superman did not have any FTL feats. He did not reach any location in less time that it takes light to reach that same location.
Originally posted by carver9
There is nothing that states that superman is flying light speed now except calculations that you all are using. It has never been stated on panel or even said out of superman own mouth that he can go the speed of light.
Superman traveled light-years to battle a Sun Eater. It was sated that the Sun-Eater was light-years away, and Superman reached it in less than three hours. That is a faster than light-feat. The fact that you can’t comprehend the fact that you understand that Speed = distance / time, doesn’t undermine the feat.
Originally posted by carver9
The last words that came out of supermans mouth about speed was this, "that beam goes the speed of light, Im nowhere near that speed".
Which was in the 90s, before Superman could move at light-speeds.
Originally posted by carver9
If you have anything after that where superman is shown turning to light due to him moving so fast or even stating that he can go that fast, please let me see it.
You’ve already seen the scans of Superman moving at the speed of light in order to escape a black hole.
Originally posted by carver9
Dont put that crap that you always post of characters moving through the galaxy at tremendous speed because we have settled that.
No, you have yet to convince anyone that crossing light-years, in less than years, under your own power, doesn’t mean you’re faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
I have posted scans of vulcan flying from one side of the universe to the other in less then a week
Wrong. You’ve showed me scans of Vulcan flying to another Galaxy in at least 7 days.
Originally posted by carver9
but show nothing that make me even think that he can go the speed of sound.
Then you’re an idiot.
Originally posted by carver9
People flying across space is a trick that almost every character that can breathe out of space has performed.
If people reach a location in less time than it takes light to reach the same location, it means their faster than light. And this not something every character than can fly in space and accomplish. For one thing, Bryne Era Superman never reached any location faster than light could.
Originally posted by carver9
So tell me, what speed do you think they were running at
At over 2000mps, like it was stated at the begenning of the race. They moved faster throughout the race, but no one can sure exactly how much faster they were moving. What we know is that they were moving at a minimum of 2000mps.
This is how some people would do it. Now this is mimic but if superman was doing this they would say that its light speed (wish I had it in english).
http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exiles15162eh.jpg
Now Rorschach, I putting this scan up for a reason, Im putting this scan up because it actually QUOTES a time on how fast mimic can fly, it states 93000 mps. Can you do the same for me with superman
http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exiles64091yd.jpg.
Mods, this has been a debate that me and rorschach has been going at for almost a year but it would soon end.
Originally posted by Rorschach
At over 2000mps, like it was stated at the begenning of the race. They moved faster throughout the race, but no one can sure exactly how much faster they were moving. What we know is that they were moving at a minimum of 2000mps.
Which is understandable, so why use that race to indicate that superman can go the speed of light just because he was racing flash. The only speed that was brought up through the entire race was only 2000mps but it did state that they were accelerating but to what degree. We dont even know if at the end of the race they even reached 3000mps, it would just be a guess.
Originally posted by nimbus006
Interesting, leaves plenty of room for speculation regarding his power levels. 😖hifty:
which is something i have no problem with whatsoever... 😛
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
hehehe....😈
would help squash duplicate threads, and it'd be just plain hilarious to see the arguments...
Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand what you're saying and I agree, but we DO need to set some kind of actual standard on the matter because it seems like speed is the only thing we ignore consistency on around here. We see people say that Supes or Flash win 10/10 against the Hulk via speedblitz all the time, but how often do we see people say that Surfer or Hal beat Supes 10/10 via BFR... never. I can handle either standard as long as it's consistent, but speedblitzing shouldn't be the only effect that nets people 10/10 in a forum fight.
very true...
Originally posted by Badabing
We are working on it. It's difficult when there are so many variables and showings. I think the current system works well but there are too many arguments over what happens in comics vs what happens on KMC. I'll be PMing our most respectable posters to get input. For now we're focusing on people who are contrary without providing proof or using low showings or out of context scans. Feel free to PM me with any input though.
lookaround
Originally posted by Scoobless
Fanboy mod has spoken!!! (typed actually)😛
srug
Originally posted by Air Legend
You know, the mods should have simply reopened this thread.
no, i wanted a fresh start... i might merge that one, but thats about it...
Originally posted by llagrok
It's using speed to defeat your opponent before they can counter, I believe.
Originally posted by Badabing
Shut up.
😆
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that the only speed that was quoted through that entire race that superman and flash had was 2000 mps and it did say that they were accelerating but isnt 2001 mps accelerating. There wasnt anything in that entire race that showed them even going close to the speed of light let alone increasing there speed all the way up to 3000 mps. Superman kept up but he kept up with a flash that was simply holding back and could have easily ran circles around him while he was going 2000 mps.
i'm not talking about the race, i'm talking about this:
http://i111.imagethrust.com/images/3UKt/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-007.html
http://i107.imagethrust.com/images/3UKu/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-008.html
http://i105.imagethrust.com/images/3UKv/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-009.html
http://i117.imagethrust.com/images/3UKw/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-011.html
http://i107.imagethrust.com/images/3UKx/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-012.html
http://i113.imagethrust.com/images/3UKy/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-013.html
http://i120.imagethrust.com/images/3UKz/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-014.html
http://i105.imagethrust.com/images/3UKI/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-015.html
http://i111.imagethrust.com/images/3UKJ/view-image/flash-v-2--209-p-016.html
is clark as fast as wally? no. is he a HELL of alot faster than hulk? yes, imo...
Originally posted by carver9
read through this forum, it has been brought up so many times that its ridiculous, they even brought up superman racing against the flash but the sad thing was that the only speed that was quoted in that race was 2000mps.
no i didn't.
superman flew from metropolis to the middle east in 3 seconds. i have the scan if anyone wants to see it. this is the same superman that makes sure he doesnt hurt or kill anyone with sonic booms...
Originally posted by carver9
This is how some people would do it. Now this is mimic but if superman was doing this they would say that its light speed (wish I had it in english).
Why would anyone say he was moving at light-speed in those scans? There's nothing to indicate that.
Originally posted by carver9
Now Rorschach, I putting this scan up for a reason, Im putting this scan up because it actually QUOTES a time on how fast mimic can fly, it states 93000 mps. Can you do the same for me with superman
http://img430.imageshack.us/my.php?image=exiles64091yd.jpg.Mods, this has been a debate that me and rorschach has been going at for almost a year but it would soon end.
Superman approaching the speed of light, and still accelerating.
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg61/Mongulrespect/superman19.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
so why use that race to indicate that superman can go the speed of light just because he was racing flash.
When did I use the race to try and Superman could move at light-speed? I was simply correcting you, since you it was said Superman was moving at over 2000mps, not at 2000 mps.
Originally posted by Rorschach
What the hell are you talking about? Superman was standing still, with the rest of the JLA, when it was stated that he could race a photon to it's target. In the 90s, Superman did not have any FTL feats. He did not reach any location in less time that it takes light to reach that same location.Superman traveled light-years to battle a Sun Eater. It was sated that the Sun-Eater was light-years away, and Superman reached it in less than three hours. That is a faster than light-feat. The fact that you can’t comprehend the fact that you understand that Speed = distance / time, doesn’t undermine the feat.
Which was in the 90s, before Superman could move at light-speeds.
You’ve already seen the scans of Superman moving at the speed of light in order to escape a black hole.
No, you have yet to convince anyone that crossing light-years, in less than years, under your own power, doesn’t mean you’re faster than light.
Wrong. You’ve showed me scans of Vulcan flying to another [b]Galaxy
in at least 7 days.Then you’re an idiot.
If people reach a location in less time than it takes light to reach the same location, it means their faster than light. And this not something every character than can fly in space and accomplish. For one thing, Bryne Era Superman never reached any location faster than light could. [/B]
So basically you are saying that superman never flew to apokolips to confront darkseid and got there in no time. I seen this happen more then once, one time ended him being thrown in the fire pitts.
Im not responding to your next post because I think you already know what Im going to say.
You are correct is was in the 90s era but you still didnt answer my question. I'll be waiting for that scan.
Again, vulcan accomplished something that only light can accomplish, are you saying that vulcan can fly/react at the speed of light.
Why am I a idiot because Im telling the truth about vulcan not performing anything that puts him close to the speed of sound except fly across the universe.
Im not going to answer your last post because again you already know what Im going to say.
Originally posted by carver9
So basically you are saying that superman never flew to apokolips to confront darkseid and got there in no time. I seen this happen more then once, one time ended him being thrown in the fire pitts.
He used a Boom Tube. Apokolips is in another Universe.
Originally posted by carver9
Again, vulcan accomplished something that only light can accomplish, are you saying that vulcan can fly/react at the speed of light.
Of course he's faster than light. He had to move faster than light in order to accomplish what he did.
Originally posted by carver9
Why am I a idiot
Because you don't even seem to understand how speed is determined in the first place.
Originally posted by carver9
Im telling the truth about vulcan not performing anything that puts him close to the speed of sound except fly across the universe.
The fact that he flew to another Galaxy, which is light-years away, makes him faster than light.
