Originally posted by darthgoober
You're being pretty dense about this. Light is part of the electromagnetic spectrum and Magneto can manipulate the entire electromagnetic spectrum up to and including light. I posted examples of Mag's manipulating light, if you want to ignore the obvious then that's on you...
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6231/magcontrolsphotons0ki.jpg
My issue is with his shields (the ones that allow light to pass through) not his maniping abilities, and I'm following a logical tangent.
And it would be easy to illustrate his shields blocking light, it's obvious the writer didn't cover his bases.
Originally posted by Allankles
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6231/magcontrolsphotons0ki.jpgMy issue is with his shields (the ones that allow light to pass through) not his maniping abilities, and I'm following a logical tangent.
And it would be easy to illustrate his shields blocking light, it's obvious the writer didn't cover his bases.
Originally posted by Allankles
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/6231/magcontrolsphotons0ki.jpgMy issue is with his shields (the ones that allow light to pass through) not his maniping abilities, and I'm following a logical tangent.
And it would be easy to illustrate his shields blocking light, it's obvious the writer didn't cover his bases.
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Omniscient narrative? The writer's intention has already been blatantly spelt out on panel. Occam's razor and all that.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Any thing to support his HV in particular operating over different wavelengths aside the fact that he has made it seemingly invisible?
When he re heat Earth after a rogue living planet had depleted the Sun's energy. That feat is a combo of infrared radiation and light radiation as the two types of radiation are necessary for heating Earth.
He's also used his HV to seal up damages in the fabric of space. So his HV is certainly more than simple heat.
Originally posted by Ouallada
😖Omniscient narrative? The writer's intention has already been blatantly spelt out on panel. Occam's razor and all that.
The writer shows a glaring lack of knowledge of what it means to control the electromagnetic spectrum. Magento can see through his shield therefore light (photons at that particular radiation wavelength) are getting through. I'm simply pointing out the evidence.
Occam's razor doesn't apply where logic is left out.
Originally posted by Allankles
The writer shows a glaring lack of knowledge of what it means to control the electromagnetic spectrum. Magento can see through his shield therefore light (photons at that particular radiation wavelength) are getting through. I'm simply pointing out the evidence.Occam's razor doesn't apply where logic is left out.
Originally posted by Allankles
The writer shows a glaring lack of knowledge of what it means to control the electromagnetic spectrum. Magento can see through his shield therefore light (photons at that particular radiation wavelength) are getting through. I'm simply pointing out the evidence.Occam's razor doesn't apply where logic is left out.
Where is it shown that Magneto can see through said shield, and why does it matter?
I find it ironic that you argue using physics on one hand to debunk the validity of feats, and throw around statements like:
He's also used his HV to seal up damages in the fabric of space. So his HV is certainly more than simple heat.
as gospel on the other.
Occam's razor means simplification as far as is required. Nothing on panel, regardless of whether or not Magneto can see through his shield, contradicts the writer. Hence, needless complications are, well, needless.
Originally posted by Allankles
It would help make it less ambiguous, don't you agree? We don't even know how the light is being used as a weapon is it generating deadly heat? hard-light? etc etc
Originally posted by Ouallada
as gospel on the other.Occam's razor means simplification as far as is required. Nothing on panel, regardless of whether or not Magneto can see through his shield, contradicts the writer. Hence, needless complications are, well, needless.
First of all I'm playing devil's advocate. So I can accept the canonicity of the feat, but I'll readily point out the elements of the feat that raise question marks.
As far as Supes sealing up the fabric of space that is much easier to support given that Supes (even post crisis) has been known to manipulate/affect non-relative space-time.
Originally posted by Allanklesi'm on wireless these days so i can't really scan stuff. the marvel handbook from the 80's went into a lot of detail on her abilities so i'll look over it for you.
It would help make it less ambiguous, don't you agree? We don't even know how the light is being used as a weapon is it generating deadly heat? hard-light? etc etc
from memory, i believe there is no heat or sound from the beams she generates, she used to use them as laser shows in her rock concerts at first. they are normal light beams, with effort and a sufficient sound to convert, she can focus the beams into cutting lasers (like she tried on mags).
Originally posted by darthgoober
It doesn't matter HOW the light's being used when your original point was that he couldn't block light. Dazzler can't use "hard light" or anything like that...
My argument obviously changed after the scans. 😉 But it's clearly something ignored by many a writer even Dazzler's light attack is ambiguous with its effects it appears to be heat energy through photon manip.
I wonder how Mags would do against an opponent that can create hard light.
Originally posted by Allankles
First of all I'm playing devil's advocate. So I can accept the canonicity of the feat, but I'll readily point out the elements of the feat that raise question marks.As far as Supes sealing up the fabric of space that is much easier to support given that Supes (even post crisis) has been known to manipulate/affect non-relative space-time.
Which is fine. Asking for a specific artistic rendition of the feat to account for a specific scientific theory isn't necessary, though.
I can accept Superman's feat. Said acceptance is despite the obvious scientific anomalies involved, and the lack of an artistic explanation to paper them over.
Allankles, that's embarassing to see. You failed your logic and physics here.
Magneto has total control over electromagnetic spectrum (ok, there are limits, but still).
What eludes you here?
His shield can block light.
And can let it pass.
Why? Because he can do it that way. Why? Because he prefers it that way.
Block radiatioun with one wavelenght, only let low-intensity beams come through - it is all well within his powers. Make light go around him, so that his presense will be masked - there as well.
Total control. It's that simple.
But still, we all know there are limits as well...
Suvivor light is light, the intensity of visibilty isn't an indication of its effects.
Of course I recognize that brightness will be used to indicate the energy levels in comics but we don't know what Dazzler is doing with the light anyway.
Originally posted by darthgoober
So your proof that Mags can't block light is that he doesn't blind himself by blocking out all of it... 😂
Not entirely. Apart from the visible light that passes through all the time, we don't know the specifics of dazzler's light attack. We don't know how Dazzler is using light (heat, hard-light etc).
Originally posted by Allankles
Not entirely. Apart from the visible light that passes through all the time, we don't know the specifics of dazzler's light attack. We don't know how Dazzler is using light (heat, hard-light etc).
And forget the "etc", what are the possible effects you can come up with for DAZZLER'S attack? We've already covered that it couldn't have been hard light since she wasn't able to do that, so what effects can you come up with that wouldn't also suggest he could block Supes's heat vision?
