Apocalypse and Magneto vs Superman

Originally posted by darthgoober
She's still using light. If he can manipulate/block the particles that make up light then that's it, he can manipulate the particles of light. It doesn't matter the exact form or function, he can manipulate/block light. And he manipulated visible light in the third scan I posted, which is why he was invisible.

And forget the "etc", what are the possible effects you can come up with for DAZZLER'S attack? We've already covered that it couldn't have been hard light since she wasn't able to do that, so what effects can you come up with that wouldn't also suggest he could block Supes's heat vision?

The Dazzler scan has a degree ambiguity. I said "etc" because there are many forms of radiation that give of light both visibly and non visibly.

So how much visible and non visible light is going through his shields is unknown. That's why I said the author himself is hardly specific in his description of what Mags can do with light, like when he mentions photons (it's basic knowledge that the energy of EM radiation is in the form of photons).

Supes HV may be capable of giving off certain radiations through invisible light, and as Survivor said, there are limits to what Mags is doing with the EM spectrum.

doesnt matter if mags can block HV or not
Sure the team can put a beating on the man of steel
but the bottom line here is that they will be worn down before supes

supes wins 10/10

Originally posted by Allankles
As far as Supes sealing up the fabric of space that is much easier to support given that Supes (even post crisis) has been known to manipulate/affect non-relative space-time.

Magneto's shielding can block anything Superman tosses at him, including his HV. Mags is amped here, and he's already got his shielding in place. Moreover, he's got Apocalypse with him to stall Supes. Team takes this 8/10 times or more.

I wonder if Apocalypse could do the body swap trick on Supes? That body definitely wouldn't burn out.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Dude if you're talking about the S'ivaa thing don't even act like it was some kind of esoteric attack. It was plain heat vision, the same type of blast he shoots out of his eyes 95% of the time.

Magneto's shielding can block anything Superman tosses at him, including his HV. Mags is amped here, and he's already got his shielding in place. Moreover, he's got Apocalypse with him to stall Supes. Team takes this 8/10 times or more.

It is esoteric, sealing up a breach in the fabric of space is esoteric, and he's done it more than once albeit not always with heat vision. Not to mention inter dimensional BFR through his vibration abilities.

As far as Magneto's shields holding up to Supes HV, that's debatable given its energy output has no upper limit as yet (hotter than stars and type II supernovas and all).

If Supes is fighting at peak levels he'll just asphyxiate Mags with an air vacuum and Apok can get BFR'd pretty quick. Supes, more often than not.

BFR Apocalypse?

Get real.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
BFR Apocalypse?

Get real.

I didn't say it was permanent, but yeah slam Apocalypse some miles away collapse Mags lungs, then carry on the fight one on one with Apoc. Supes in full flow fights like this in the comics.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't say it was permanent, but yeah slam Apocalypse some miles away collapse Mags lungs, then carry on the fight one on one with Apoc. Supes in full flow fights like this in the comics.

There's just that pesky teleportation.

It won't be a love tap, there's an opening on account of recovery. and how long do you think it takes to collapse Mags lungs? No more than a few seconds.

Only in Kal-El dreams.
For all we know he will be too busy returning to the field after being bfred.

Originally posted by illadelph12
I wonder if Apocalypse could do the body swap trick on Supes? That body definitely wouldn't burn out.

cyclops sort of took control of the "cyclopalypse" body after the twelve, so you know damn sure superman's will would do the same.

sadly you know it's true deep inside also 🙁

Originally posted by Allankles
The Dazzler scan has a degree ambiguity. I said "etc" because there are many forms of radiation that give of light both visibly and non visibly.

So how much visible and non visible light is going through his shields is unknown. That's why I said the author himself is hardly specific in his description of what Mags can do with light, like when he mentions photons (it's basic knowledge that the energy of EM radiation is in the form of photons).

Supes HV may be capable of giving off certain radiations through invisible light, and as Survivor said, there are limits to what Mags is doing with the EM spectrum.

the fact that magneto said "photons" kind of deads that argument 😬

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the fact that magneto said "photons" kind of deads that argument 😬

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i know for a fact that wouldn't work.

cyclops sort of took control of the "cyclopalypse" body after the twelve, so you know damn sure superman's will would do the same.

sadly you know it's true deep inside also 🙁

Not necessarily. There were extenuating circumstances revolving around that. The process Apocalypse used to merge The Twelves energies into Nate and then take over that body was sabotaged and the merger was incomplete and flawed.

Originally posted by darthgoober
[B]Again what could DAZZLER have been doing? She doesn't manipulate various forms of radiation, she manipulates LIGHT and light ONLY. /B]

Visible light has many EM radiation sources (specific wavelength range and all that), and there are different types of EM radiation that give off visible light (leaving alone non-visible light). My "etc" was encompassing all the different light generating radiations and more specifically what effect Dazzlers' light was meant to have.

Originally posted by Allankles
Visible light has many EM radiation sources (specific wavelength range and all that), and there are different types of EM radiation that give off visible light (leaving alone non-visible light). My "etc" was encompassing all the different light generating radiations and more specifically what effect Dazzlers' light was meant to have.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Again what could DAZZLER have been doing? She doesn't manipulate various forms of radiation, she manipulates LIGHT and light ONLY. Your speculating that she might have been firing some other type of radiation is no different than me suddenly deciding that for some reason a particular optic blast of Cyclops is composed of cosmic energy rather than his normal optic blast. So what effects could she have been going for with light that wouldn't also suggest that Mag's could counter light based heat vision?

Originally posted by Allankles
Visible light has many EM radiation sources (specific wavelength range and all that), and there are different types of EM radiation that give off visible light (leaving alone non-visible light). My "etc" was encompassing all the different light generating radiations and more specifically what effect Dazzlers' light was meant to have.

"and there are different types of EM radiation that give off visible light"

wrong, only the visible light spectrum is well....visible. on one side of it you have infrared = invisible, on the other side you have ultraviolet = invisible. the farther you go in either direction, the harder it is to see even with special equipment.

Originally posted by Allankles
It won't be a love tap, there's an opening on account of recovery. and how long do you think it takes to collapse Mags lungs? No more than a few seconds.

If it takes an awfully short time, then there's no point in Superman's attempt at removing Apocalypse.

Originally posted by Allankles
It is esoteric, sealing up a breach in the fabric of space is esoteric,

Originally posted by Allankles
If Supes is fighting at peak levels he'll just asphyxiate Mags with an air vacuum

Apoc would be the one to BFR Superman if anything.