LUKE vs NIHILUS! re-match(all out)

Forgive my ignorance here, this is more of a question than anything.

I read a comic a few years ago, in which Nihilus killed every being - but one - of an entire planet's population [all of whom were force-sensetive] just by speaking. I'm sure it wasn't a hyperbolic statement, as it was the sole survivor of this blight whom was narrating.

Granted, I'm not sure of this events canonicity, but my main question is - if said event is canonical, what feats does Luke have to put him above a being who can do something like that?

Originally posted by Galan007
Forgive my ignorance here, this is more of a question than anything.

I read a comic a few years ago, in which Nihilus killed every being - but one - of an entire planet's population [all of whom were force-sensetive] just by speaking. I'm sure it wasn't a hyperbolic statement, as it was the sole survivor of this blight whom was narrating.

Granted, I'm not sure of this events canonicity, but my main question is - if said event is canonical, what feats does Luke have to put him above a being who can do something like that?

And that was Visas Marr. I don't even remember if she just "happened" to survive, or if Nihilus said "F*ck it, she's cool." Her account is a tad subjective though. She had just experienced an entire planet's death, then followed that up with serving the one responsible aboard a ghost-ship; there's a good chance she was being poetic. Aside from her testimonial, there's no proof that Nihilus just spoke and killed a globe. There's even evidence to back up that it takes time for him to drain such a mass: as soon as he entered Telos' system, he should have been able to speak, and NOT let the Exile maneuver her way through his entire ship, plant explosives, and kill him.

I'm not so sure, she made it seem pretty clear that Nihilus speaking, is what killed off the planet..

"My people never saw his face when he struck - but they heard his voice"
"When my lord spoke, every living thing on Katarr died":

It would also seem that Nihilus did in fact allow her to live [she became his apprentice, iirc].

*shrugs*

Yeah, that's what I mean. She's the only witness, and isn't in a position to provide an unbiased account. If he could utilize such power at such a speed, he'd be practically invincible. The best explanation is that it takes time for him to kick-start the technique. It just doesn't make any sense why Nihilus ever died at all if it's to the contrary.

I wonder if Nihilus purposefully spared Visas during the initial devastation, or if she was some anomaly that survived.

Agreed. I wasn't trying to say Nihilus could preform such a task instantaneously, [though I'm sure it happened quite rapidly] - I was just saying, to annihilate a planet full of force sensetives via speachification [regardless of the time it took to do so] is quite uber in my book. This brings me back to my original question as to what Luke can do to overcome a being like that?

Originally posted by Galan007
Agreed. I wasn't trying to say Nihilus could preform such a task instantaneously, [though I'm sure it happened quite rapidly] - I was just saying, to annihilate a planet full of force sensetives via speachification [regardless of the time it took to do so] is quite uber in my book. This brings me back to my original question as to what Luke can do to overcome a being like that?

It's easy. Luke can simply hide his presence in the Force, creep up on Nihilus, and utterly demolish him. I think we can all agree that NJO Luke's saber skills far far FAR surpass those of Nihilus.

Note: I don't really think that Nihilus can do his Force-eating thing instantaneously. I know that when the Exile (i.e. you) faces him in TSL he can't eat/drain her because she's a wound in the Force, but look at her companions. You can choose any of the companions, Force-sensitive or not, and he won't eat/drain them. And these are simple characters from TSL. You think Nihilus is going to have more luck with Force God Luke Skywalker?

Originally posted by caedusrulesall
It's easy. Luke can simply hide his presence in the Force, creep up on Nihilus, and utterly demolish him. I think we can all agree that NJO Luke's saber skills far far FAR surpass those of Nihilus.

Note: I don't really think that Nihilus can do his Force-eating thing instantaneously. I know that when the Exile (i.e. you) faces him in TSL he can't eat/drain her because she's a wound in the Force, but look at her companions. You can choose any of the companions, Force-sensitive or not, and he won't eat/drain them. And these are simple characters from TSL. You think Nihilus is going to have more luck with Force God Luke Skywalker?

Nihilus can wreak destruction on a scale similar to Palpatine, and I personally can't think of any one feat in the Force Luke has ever done which rivals it. But yeah, if he could use his power even remotely close to being described as "fast" he would've just consumed everyone at Telos (aside from the Exile). Luke could easily finish him off.

I see your points. 👆

Anyhow, is Nihilus wiping out a planet's population by merely speaking, the most destructive use of the force ever seen? If not, what exceeds it? I only ask because it's the best 'force-feat' I've seen, but there could be better ones out there.

Originally posted by Galan007
I see your points. 👆

Anyhow, is Nihilus wiping out a planet's population by merely speaking, the most destructive use of the force ever seen? If not, what exceeds it? I only ask because it's the best 'force-feat' I've seen, but there could be better ones out there.

Originally posted by Tangible God
I can't think too well at the moment, only one comes to mind: that would be Palpatine's Force Storm. It literally rips apart space and time and can ravage entire fleets. He also can control it so well as to limit it to a mere teleporter, as in the case where he picked up Luke and moved him across the galaxy in seconds. I don't know if it can actually tear apart a planet, but it can ravage life to the same numerical degree Nihilus' Drain does.

According to the DESB, a Force Storm can "tear the surfaces off of worlds".

That is AWESOME.

For a brief moment.

Then I remember that Palpatine should have died seven years previous.

Originally posted by Galan007
I see your points. 👆

Anyhow, is Nihilus wiping out a planet's population by merely speaking, the most destructive use of the force ever seen? If not, what exceeds it? I only ask because it's the best 'force-feat' I've seen, but there could be better ones out there.

Thing is, Luke can with the Fallanasi technique become immune to Nihilus' Uber Force Sever technique, and although without it Nihilus is still very much a powerful Sith Lord, he will be defeated by Luke without the Force Sever, especially in a saber fight which Nihilus' skills in are mostly unknown.

I personally think that there needs to be more comics with Nihilus, we know nearly nothing about him.

Originally posted by Tangible God
That is AWESOME.

For a brief moment.

Then I remember that Palpatine should have died seven years previous.

None of it is awesome. Palpatine's Force Storms, Nihilus's drains, Sadow's ship. The Force lost its mysticism and turned into outright comic book shit magic.

Originally posted by Gideon
None of it is awesome. Palpatine's Force Storms, Nihilus's drains, Sadow's ship. The Force lost its mysticism and turned into outright comic book shit magic.

In my opinion, at least.

No, it was shit magic. We go from Palpatine's pretty wicked little display of lightning that almost kills Luke, and does kill Vader, to Palpatine being able to shred a planet and entire fleets at a whim. Such a sudden jump to such a incalculable degree of power is pure comic book flashiness.

Originally posted by Tangible God
No, it was shit magic. We go from Palpatine's pretty wicked little display of lightning that almost kills Luke, and does kill Vader, to Palpatine being able to shred a planet and entire fleets at a whim. Such a sudden jump to such a incalculable degree of power is pure comic book flashiness.

Or is it possible that Palpatine simply couldn't utilize force storm throughout the SW movies, and only became powerful enough with the force to do so, after his initial 'death'?

So are there inconsistencies? Sure. Was such a display of power thrown in the story to spruce it up a bit? Probably. But branding the force 'shit magic' because a few people since it's conception have utilized it for results of the aforementioned magnitude - is a tad harsh, imo. *shrugs*

Originally posted by Galan007
One could argue that Palpatine, being evil, preferred to watch his enemies suffer [ala force lightning], than to give them a quick death [ala force storm]. The only thing I find inconsistent, is the fact that if Palpatine had the ability to do something of that caliber - why go through the trouble of building the Death Star, twice? More of an intimidation factor perhaps?

Or is it possible that Palpatine simply couldn't utilize force storm throughout the SW movies, and only became powerful enough with the force to do so, after his initial 'death'?

So are there inconsistencies? Sure. Was such a display of power thrown in the story to spruce it up a bit? Probably. But branding the force 'shit magic' because a few people since it's conception have utilized it for results of the aforementioned magnitude - is a tad harsh, imo. *shrugs*

Palpatine spent years regaining his strength on Byss after the events of Return of the Jedi. He himself states in Dark Empire that as Skywalker had grown stronger in the Force since "the last time [they] met," so had Palpatine himself. The Ultimate Visual Guide also confirms that Palpatine studied deeper in the Force to "become even more powerful" after RotJ.

But from perspective on a higher plane (i.e. prophecy, destiny, fate), Anakin's sacrifice and killing of Palpatine ensured that he was truly screwed from then on out.

I wonder if Nihilus purposefully spared Visas during the initial devastation, or if she was some anomaly that survived.

I always assumed that it was pure force strength that spared her, there just didn't seem like another explanation.

But yeah, if he could use his power even remotely close to being described as "fast" he would've just consumed everyone at Telos (aside from the Exile). Luke could easily finish him off.

He was probably pissed off that instead of the feast that Traya had promised him, he got a pack of cheesy watsits in the form of Telos. And he would be confused as to why she would pull such a mean trick on him. And he could have felt Visas coming and wondered if she had important info. Their are lots of reasons, but the fact remains that we have evidence of him using a fast drain: AGAINST THE EXILE. So I don't really see the argument.

Thing is, Luke can with the Fallanasi technique become immune to Nihilus' Uber Force Sever technique, and although without it Nihilus is still very much a powerful Sith Lord,

As Faunus said, its very unlikely that Lukes gonna use that technique right off the bat. More likely he'd try to talk Nihilus into joining the lightside and then agonise over killing him. Nihilus on the other hand, would see him and drain him, just like that.

I see Nihilus winning this, Mabye even without the drain (not immediately provable so don't call me out to prove it, cuz I won't)

LOL your an idiot, him winning without the drain even. Care to substantiate? Again how is nihilus going to defend against an attack he has never even heard of?

Oh please and its not like luke wouldn't know the nature of nihilus force severing technique as he himself(or his precognition) has at least used a similar technique once on palpatine.