Originally posted by Darth Exodus"Fleet" eh? Again where was it stated that he pulled a "fleet" out of the gravity well let alone the ship?Nihilus pulled a fleet out of a gravity well. That ups Luke by a fair distance. Nihilus force crushes him. Luke dies.
If your going to suck tobins dick and use him as backup, i tell you what, your plain wrong seeing that tobin was never there when nihilus "pulled" the ship out of malachors gravity well.
Again no where was it clearly stated that he actually used the force to get his ship out nor was it even hinted! Again try not to use tobin because he himself has never seen nihilus "pulling the ship out of the gravity well"
His ship was in the gravity well, he could have very well simply flew the ship away rather than "lift the entire ship" seeing that the ships engines are in working conditions and that the gravity well was inactive.
Him pulling the ship out via the force is speculation mr anti luke/miss nebaris.
Oh wow so its "nihilus crushes luke now" eh? I guess by your logic starkiller and palpatine would take a dump on luke because sidious has destroyed an entire starfleet with one move whereas starkiller pulling down a star destroyer with relative ease.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAh yes without anything to back you up.
There, that was a quick one just for yourself.
If your going to suck tobins dick and use him as backup, i tell you what, your plain wrong seeing that tobin was never there when nihilus "pulled" the ship out of malachors gravity well.
Its called word of mouth Ivalice, Tobin could have easily learnt about it from another source. Plus there's no reason for him to lie or make up crap, he thinks he's gonna die in 10 minutes.
Again no where was it clearly stated that he actually used the force to get his ship out nor was it even hinted!
Except that it actually says that he 'pulled his fleet from the wrekage of Malachor'.
Unless he used sugar power, he used the force. EOD
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Its called word of mouth Ivalice,
Word of mouth can easily exaggerate a story. When I was in elementary school they told us why you shouldn't start a rumor and to demonstrate it that had us play the telephone game and the original rumor became extremely out of proportion even compared to the original lie, so Tobin hearing by word of mouth means jack ****.
I too, question the quote which you are not quoting Tobin right btw.
"This ship… is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power."
Notice how easily he could be saying that he tore the ship from Malachor(personal power) and combine with the sith fleet he acquired represents his full power militarily and personally. Maybe if the sith interdictor ships (which look brand new) were damaged then you might be correct but the fact of the matter is no other ship is damaged like it should be if he brought it from malachor. I believe Canderous only mentions that the Ravager was at malachor and no mention to other ships which are likely remnants of Revan/Malak's sith empire.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAnd who is this "other source"? How can you or he verify this "other source"?
Its called word of mouth Ivalice, Tobin could have easily learnt about it from another source. Plus there's no reason for him to lie or make up crap, he thinks he's gonna die in 10 minutes.
Again quit speculating and actually prove that he pulled the ship out of the gravity well.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAh so you did exactly as i predicted which is that you used tobin as a source. I'm sorry pal but tobin never saw nihilus "pulled any ships out of any holes" hence his claims should be disregarded.
Except that it actually says that he 'pulled his fleet from the wrekage of Malachor'.Unless he used sugar power, he used the force. EOD
Look at it from an attorney's point of view, he is making a claim with absolutely nothing to back up his claims let alone him not even being there to witness the incident, would you take his words seriously despite the fact that nothing proves his claims let alone him not seeing shit or are you going to dismiss it as propaganda or better yet disregard it?
Don't be stupid exodus, the ship was still in working condition which means that it is able to fly, i don't see why nihilus and his goons couldn't have simply flown the ship off world as the gravity well remains inactive and the fact that nothing indicates he used the force to lift the ship.
This possibility alone would eliminate the "speculation that he lifted his ship from the well".
Bear in mind, I haven't beaten KotOR II (it sits in its dusty case somewhere in storage), so I will rely on the objectivity of everyone present; that said, I am noticing some inconsistencies and problems that need to be addressed.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Its called word of mouth Ivalice, Tobin could have easily learnt about it from another source. Plus there's no reason for him to lie or make up crap, he thinks he's gonna die in 10 minutes.
This doesn't cut it. "Word of mouth" is practically the same thing as a rumor; Lightsnake hears (or reads, rather) accounts from dozens of posters on these forums that you're a deeply, psychologically scarred little boy who has developed an unhealthy fascination with a fictional character (Bane) and an equally troubled presence on this forum (Nebaris), and your infatuation turns to clear sexual attraction, and so you fellate them both at every opportunity. That's word of mouth. So I guess it's automatically true because we say so? (bad example, I know, because all of that is true)
But without corroboration from multiple sources that confirm such an idea, Tobin's opinion on its own is subject to skepticism. Was he present when the feat was performed or has done incredible research on the matter? If not, his opinion isn't just subject to question -- it means absolutely nothing at all. Period. The end. You lose.
Likewise, a fleet =/= one ship. If he pulled a ship from the mass shadows, that's impressive. But it's not comparable to "lulz he pulled teh fleet!" Furthermore, how did he do it? Was it part of a ritual? How long did it take him? Substantiate, otherwise you can't aggrandize his telekinesis.
Originally posted by Dark-JaxxExcept that tobin never actually saw your boyfriend pull any "fleets" out of the gravity well hence his claims should be disregarded, again read my previous posts. Oh and the loading screen merely stated that he got his ship from the gravity well. The word "tore" is subjective and up for debate pal as to weather he did pull the ship out. If his TK is so almighty then how come he couldn't crush a NON force user and his own apprentice with the exile?
Except we have two sources(the loading screen and Tobin) that say he tore the ship out of the gravity well. You are the one speculating he did it through some other means.
Again what even indicates that he used the force to do so? What if its machines who "tore" the ship out of the gravity well? What if he flew the ship out the gravity well? What if he and his other dark jedi goons "tore" the ship out of the well all at once?
Again what indicates he even used the force?
Except that tobin never actually saw your boyfriend pull any "fleets" out of the gravity well hence his claims should be disregarded,
By that logic, Revan never explored Malachor becuase no-one ever saw it happen, Lumiya never learnt anything from Vader becuase we never saw it happen, 'the ultimate visual guide'(and all the other star wars source books) is wrong becuase the writer never actually saw any of it happen, Nebaris doesn't exist becuase I've never seen him etc.
If his TK is so almighty then how come he couldn't crush a NON force user and his own apprentice with the exile?
He was drastically weakened by the Exile and Visas and he only saw things in the force, Visas states that he doesn't reall notice anything smaller that a space station untill its standing in front of him. Plus he would be having trouble via getting creamed by the exile.
This doesn't cut it. "Word of mouth" is practically the same thing as a rumor; Lightsnake hears (or reads, rather) accounts from dozens of posters on these forums that you're a deeply, psychologically scarred little boy who has developed an unhealthy fascination with a fictional character (Bane) and an equally troubled presence on this forum (Nebaris), and your infatuation turns to clear sexual attraction, and so you fellate them both at every opportunity. That's word of mouth. So I guess it's automatically true because we say so? (bad example, I know, because all of that is true)
I detect a hint of jelousy. And bitterness.
Look at it from an attorney's point of view, he is making a claim with absolutely nothing to back up his claims
The ship itself kind of backs it up. Plus the loading scene. Plus the documented scope of Nihlus' power i.e. His ability to affect things on a planetary scale.
Don't be stupid exodus, the ship was still in working condition which means that it is able to fly, i don't see why nihilus and his goons couldn't have simply flown the ship off world
He could have easily repaired it after pulling it out of Malachor.
Maybe if the sith interdictor ships (which look brand new) were damaged then you might be correct but the fact of the matter is no other ship is damaged like it should be if he brought it from malachor.
Thats just crappy game creation. Everyone knows how poorly that game was put together and the errors made.
Again what even indicates that he used the force to do so? What if its machines who "tore" the ship out of the gravity well? What if he flew the ship out the gravity well? What if he and his other dark jedi goons "tore" the ship out of the well all at once?
The quote says that 'He tore it ....' as in him. Unless he used his hands and a rocket-backpack, he tore it out with the force.
But without corroboration from multiple sources that confirm such an idea, Tobin's opinion on its own is subject to skepticism.
What an inconsistency! Your willing to believe that Kenobiu is the ultimate Soreso master just becuase Mace said so but turn your back on this! And all the singular quotes about the team arresting Palps! Thats a slip.
First of all please do a little better job with your quoting. It is hard to find who you are trying to quote at times with no name present in the quote.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Thats just crappy game creation. Everyone knows how poorly that game was put together and the errors made.
Blaming the game creators doesn't cut it, there is also the fact that Canderous says that the Ravager "was of Malachor" (or something along those lines) but no mention of the other ships in the fleet. It is much more likely that those ships were remnants of the sith empire defeated at the star forge.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusYou by far is the most idiotic human being i had ever encountered in the last 17 years of my life.
By that logic, Revan never explored Malachor becuase no-one ever saw it happen, Lumiya never learnt anything from Vader becuase we never saw it happen, 'the ultimate visual guide'(and all the other star wars source books) is wrong becuase the writer never actually saw any of it happen,
Wow i guess you forgot that kreia did actually witness revan plundering malachor V as she herself was aware that he FED on malachors dark side energy whereas its dark side energys CRIPPLED her.
Oh and lumiya DID learn something from vader because it was STATED in the new essential guide to characters that she was his student.
The ultimate visual guide was written by out of universe sources aka authors whom have he right to write what ever the hell they want thus they do not actually need to be in the "star wars universe"(which would never happen as it is science fiction universe).
Exodus, you truly are an abomination to both your parents and society. You type your way into KMC thinking you can actually even form a believable and cogent argument but instead end up making a fool of yourself and further degrade yourself. Birth control would be your parents friend to prevent further tragedies like you.
Even lordknightfall is far more credible than you, at times he can be really intelligent and able to form pretty good arguments while sometimes he behaves and acts like a babbling idiot. But at least he tries to improve and he can think more logically than you.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusLol you didn't see him? I guess that means you didn't see his posts either which indicates that nebaris is a tangible organic being.
Nebaris doesn't exist becuase I've never seen him etc.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
He was drastically weakened by the Exile and Visas and he only saw things in the force, Visas states that he doesn't reall notice anything smaller that a space station untill its standing in front of him. Plus he would be having trouble via getting creamed by the exile.
Ah so he only sees things in the force. But once again your BF tobin claims that he does not see people but only planets and stars.
Ah yes so because he got on his knees for a second it means he got "drastically weakened". Good observation.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusOh and how does the ship "back it up" that he used the force? How so miss nebaris? And the loading screen even did not state that he used the force.
The ship itself kind of backs it up. Plus the loading scene. Plus the documented scope of Nihlus' power i.e. His ability to affect things on a planetary scale.
And regarding the l33t planet scale shit. Just how big was the planet? Hell most of the planet was covered with mountains and it has like what? A small city whose small buildings can already be clearly seen from orbit?
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAgain prove that he "repaired it" seeing that most of the ship is still damaged and that there are gaps in the ship which still open up to the vacuum of space.
He could have easily repaired it after pulling it out of Malachor.
LOL and easily repair a broken massive ship the size of an imperial sized star destroyer by himself? Your an idiot pal and even if there were other people with him, just how many of them are there let alone technicians and mechanics to repair such a massive ship?
Originally posted by Darth ExodusBig deal, "Tore" is subjective and debatable. How do we know he didn't use machinery to "tear" the ship out of the gravity well?
The quote says that '[b]He tore it ....' as in him. Unless he used his hands and a rocket-backpack, he tore it out with the force.[/B]
How do we know that "he"(in reference to his military power) didn't "tear" the ship out via other ships?
Originally posted by Darth ExodusBy buying a new brain to replace the rotten one in that coconut shell of yours.
How do I get the name to appear?
Exodus, you truly are an abomination to both your parents and society. You type your way into KMC thinking you can actually even form a believable and cogent argument but instead end up making a fool of yourself and further degrade yourself. Birth control would be your parents friend to prevent further tragedies like you.Even lordknightfall is far more credible than you, at times he can be really intelligent and able to form pretty good arguments while sometimes he behaves and acts like a babbling idiot. But at least he tries to improve and he can think more logically than you.
cheers I love you too. (As a friend)
Wow i guess you forgot that kreia did actually witness revan plundering malachor V as she herself was aware that he FED on malachors dark side energy whereas its dark side energys CRIPPLED her.Oh and lumiya DID learn something from vader because it was STATED in the new essential guide to characters that she was his student.
The ultimate visual guide was written by out of universe sources aka authors whom have he right to write what ever the hell they want thus they do not actually need to be in the "star wars universe"(which would never happen as it is science fiction universe).
Those were all just examples of why you don't need to see something to know that its true. Those were just poorly chosen examples. For instance, I know that the titanic sank, even though I didn't see it happen. Why? Becuase it was recorded by history. How? Becuse survivers told historians. That makes it weak verification. But weak verification is still a form of proof.
And regarding the l33t planet scale shit. Just how big was the planet? Hell most of the planet was covered with mountains and it has like what? A small city whose small buildings can already be clearly seen from orbit?
Thats only one planet, the Jedi masters state that he has drained many more.
I guess that means you didn't see his posts either which indicates that nebaris is a tangible organic being.
Indicates=/= proves.
For all I know, you're faking the whole thing.
Ah yes so because he got on his knees for a second it means he got "drastically weakened".
No, becuase Visas said he was makes it so. And becuase where before he could rape the Exile (and her companions) in the force she can now fight him on equal terms.
LOL and easily repair a broken massive ship the size of an imperial sized star destroyer by himself? Your an idiot pal and even if there were other people with him, just how many of them are there let alone technicians and mechanics to repair such a massive ship?
Well he had eight years to repair it in. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard considering the forces at his disposal.
How do we know that "he"(in reference to his military power) didn't "tear" the ship out via other ships?
That isn't how this works pal. I made the claim that he pulled his fleet out via the force and used Tobin to back it up. You made the claim that he used ships and so You have to back that up. Comprende.
And plus its not like he can just walk into Czerka and order a fleet.
How do we know he didn't use machinery to "tear" the ship out of the gravity well?
The quote was "This ship… is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power."
I doubt tobin would be talking about power if he used Ships
Originally posted by Darth ExodusOh please you aren't even half funny. The only reason why we laugh at you is because your so idiotic and so stupid at trying to be actually funny that it is actually getting funny.
cheers I love you too. (As a friend)
Originally posted by Darth ExodusYou are correct, but that only applies when there is something else to back whatever claim is made.
Those were all just examples of why you don't need to see something to know that its true.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusWhy? Because people saw it, because it has been recorded in history, because there are hundres of testimonies, because the ship was actually SEEN sinking. Because theres actual proof that the titanic sank whereas theres absolutely no proof other than the testimony of a mind raped lunatic.
Those were just poorly chosen examples. For instance, I know that the titanic sank, even though I didn't see it happen. Why?
Again, nobody including tobin saw the ravager being "torn" from the gravity well, nothing else can substantiate his claims, nobody else saw the ship being "torn" from the well, nobody else made the claim but tobin himself.
How do you know he was even telling the truth? How do you know he didn't make that up?
Originally posted by Darth ExodusPlease it isn't a "form of proof" as you want it to be pal. Again who is going to even take them seriously unless theres actual proof that the ship sank?(Proof was the SOS, radio calls, ACTUAL WRECKAGE and HUNDREDS of people).
Becuase it was recorded by history. How? Becuse survivers told historians. That makes it weak verification. But weak verification is still a form of proof.
They were believed because SHIP PERSONAL were there to back up their testimonies as they themselves are credible people whom were present at the incident.
Please exodus, quit trying to act like you can actually debate by brining up crap like this which can be easily refuted.
Hell this debate is pretty easy for me and even lordknightfa11 could give me a hard time.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusLie, even wookiepedia didn't state that any other planet was drained. Post the quote will you because you sir are a liar and someone whom cannot be taken seriously, if this was coming from gideon or lightsnake then i would take it seriously.
Thats only one planet, the Jedi masters state that he has drained many more.
Name these "many planets".
Originally posted by Darth ExodusFor all we don't know, your a psychotic child molester with the intent to insert your deformed penis in every child you bluff at.
Indicates=/= proves.
For all I know, you're faking the whole thing.
Him even posting in these forums proves that he is indeed a human being.
Seriously, quit trying to derail the topic and use your fallacious, unbelievable and ridiculous analogies and assertions.
By the way:
Originally posted by Darth Exoduslol she says so? How about know she only "thought" that he was drastically weakened?No, becuase Visas said he was makes it so. And becuase where before he could rape the Exile (and her companions) in the force she can now fight him on equal terms.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAh yes wouldn't be too hard with the lack of manpower and mechanics/technicians. You are more idiotic than i thought.
Well he had eight years to repair it in. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard considering the forces at his disposal.
Again how big was this "force" of his? Hell i can simply argue that there isn't any.
Wait! Lets use your claim that he DID repair the ship. If he ever repaired the ship, why drag it out of the well and then repair it when he could have done so in the well and then flew out of it?
More stupidity from you.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusYou used a fallible character "pal". A character which has yet to see nihilus "tear his fleet" and with absolutely nothing to back his claims so how exactly did you prove anything?
That isn't how this works pal. I made the claim that he pulled his fleet out via the force and used Tobin to back it up. You made the claim that he used ships and so[b] You have to back that up. Comprende.[/B]
You seem to forget the concept of the burden of proof, YOU made the claim, YOU prove it with a reliable and [/b]credible[/b] source.
This crap of him pulling the ship out of the well is nothing but speculation. Hell the whole issue is speculative so nobody knows weather he did or did not use the force to pull his ship but then again as i have mentioned time and again, NOTHING substantiates and backs tobins claims hence it should NOT be taken seriously.
Ah so we are using fallible characters now? I guess exar kun IS the most powerful sith lord because suvam tam says so. I guess caedus is more powerful than palpatine because lumiya says so.
Your a douche.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusYet another pathetic attempt at being funny when your not(if you were trying to be funny).
And plus its not like he can just walk into Czerka and order a fleet.
Czerka does not manufacture and sell sith warships idiot. There were interdictors left after the JCW.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusRight just like how the death stars "power" was "powerful" enough to blow a planet into space dust.
The quote was "This ship… is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… [b]that is a measure of his power."I doubt tobin would be talking about power if he used Ships [/B]
Its not like a ship can't exert enough "power" to drag another ship.
Once again, buy a new brain.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I detect a hint of jelousy. And bitterness.
First, how do you detect 'jelousy'? As far as I'm aware, it's not even an actual word.
Second, if you meant jealousy and bitterness, you'd be absolutely correct. But you don't detect it from me.
Third, nice rebuttal. In the face absolute ownage, you try to generate some banter, and end up ****ing up an easy word to spell and making yourself look like an even bigger ass.
What an inconsistency! Your willing to believe that Kenobiu is the ultimate Soreso master just becuase Mace said so but turn your back on this! And all the singular quotes about the team arresting Palps! Thats a slip.
Two separate situations. First, Windu was present to witness Kenobi's skill as a swordsman. Tobin, apparently, wasn't. All the "singular quotes" about Palpatine are issued by omniscient narrators (Tobin isn't one) or the historical council of a galactic superpower with unlimited resources and uncanny research (Tobin isn't one).
I win, you lose, you're an ass.
Right just like how the death stars "power" was "powerful" enough to blow a planet into space dust.
The line says 'He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power.
Not 'his forces tore it' or 'that is a measure of his fleets power', but 'his' as in singular. The way your interpreting it would be if I said 'palpatine used the death star to blow up Alderaan, that is the measure of his power' The dustruction would be credited to the death star as in it wasn't an actual measure of Palpatines power that destroyed Alderaan but the death stars.
nobody including tobin saw the ravager being "torn" from the gravity well,
I'd like to see you prove that. And for that prove that Tobin didn't actually see it.
If Nihilus used a fleet to pull it out then he would need people (witnesses) to crew the ships and if he used the force then I'm right and Tobin was correct.
Lie, even wookiepedia didn't state that any other planet was drained. Post the quote will you because you sir are a liar and someone whom cannot be taken seriously, if this was coming from gideon or lightsnake then i would take it seriously.Name these "many planets".
The jedi masters said that they felt planets becoming devoid of life, being drained by nihilus and thats what caused them to become scared, meet on Katarr, go into hiding etc.
I'm not sad enough to play through the whole game to get the quote for you though, but rest assured I've seen it pretty recently (days).
I've got a lesson now but I'll be back.
It was a verbal and argumentative gangbang.
Don't count your chickens yet Boy-o.
How do you know he was even telling the truth? How do you know he didn't make that up?
Occums razor states that he wasn't. He thought he wasn't going to live very long and was really depressed, its very unlikely that he was making up crap just for spite.
Plus you have to remember that he isn't real. He's a 2-demensional character. Its very, very unlikely that the writers would have him lie just to big Nihilus up, especially when they just spent the whole game doing just that. More likely, they just wanted him to actually be powerful.
Wait! Lets use your claim that he DID repair the ship. If he ever repaired the ship, why drag it out of the well and then repair it when he could have done so in the well and then flew out of it?
Becuase there are are lots of horrible beasties on Malachor, and its easier to repair it away from them.
Hell this debate is pretty easy for me and even lordknightfa11 could give me a hard time.
You're insulting me by insulting knightfall and also yourself. Well done, ace 😉
lol she says so? How about know she only "thought" that he was drastically weakened?
Hmmm, you seem to have skipped over half my argument. Bit lazy of you.
Again how big was this "force" of his? Hell i can simply argue that there isn't any.
Yeah, I'm sure that all those dark jedi, pilots and Sith troops on his ship were all just imaginary. Again, Nice one ace 😉
You used a fallible character "pal". A character which has yet to see nihilus "tear his fleet" and with absolutely nothing to back his claims so how exactly did you prove anything?
Again, Occums razor states that the most logical and likely thing would be for him to be telling the truth and also for Nihilus to have used the force. Your crap theory that Nihilus used ships is faulty ( Where would he get those ships from? If he had them then why does he want the Leviathan?)
This crap of him pulling the ship out of the well is nothing but speculation. Hell the whole issue is speculative so nobody knows weather he did or did not use the force to pull his ship but then again as i have mentioned time and again, NOTHING substantiates and backs tobins claims hence it should NOT be taken seriously.
Its the most probable thing to have happened and untill something comes up which disproves it or another valid theory that has enough evidence behind it is put forward, it must be held as the most probable and therefor the correct turn of events.
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First, how do you detect 'jelousy'? As far as I'm aware, it's not even an actual word.Second, if you meant jealousy and bitterness, you'd be absolutely correct. But you don't detect it from me.
Third, nice rebuttal. In the face absolute ownage, you try to generate some banter, and end up ****ing up an easy word to spell and making yourself look like an even bigger ass.
Drat!!! Foiled yet again by the spellcheck!! Oh well, I'll survive.
First, Windu was present to witness Kenobi's skill as a swordsman.
🤨 When was this. I've never seen them fighting together.
All the "singular quotes" about Palpatine are issued by omniscient narrators (Tobin isn't one) or the historical council of a galactic superpower with unlimited resources and uncanny research (Tobin isn't one).
I wasn't actually talking about Palpatine. You should read before you post next time.