Originally posted by Darth ExodusAnd he could be referenced to him using machines or his political power in the sith triumviate whereas his could also be referencing to his power over people to do his work.
The line says '[b]He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet… that is a measure of his power.[/B]
Again tobin was not there to actually see nihilus pull the ship hence he should not be taken seriously. You are an idiot.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusBut the whole problem with your crappy analogy yet again is that nowhere was it ever stated that "palpatine destroyed alderaan" and even if it did it was in reference to palpatines [/b]military power[/b] which in this case nihilus has.
Not 'his forces tore it' or 'that is a measure of his fleets power', but 'his' as in singular. The way your interpreting it would be if I said 'palpatine used the death star to blow up Alderaan, that is the measure of his power' The dustruction would be credited to the death star as in it wasn't an actual measure of [b]Palpatines power that destroyed Alderaan but the death stars.[/B]
So i guess by your shit logic, hitler would be a martial art god seeing that he was claimed to be "unstoppable" when infact it was referenced to his military power.
You seriously are an idiot. Your an idiot who gives idiots a bad name such a shame tsk tsk.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusWhy should i have to prove tobin didn't see it when the burden of proof falls on you? You made a claim you prove it pal, i don't have to prove a negative.
I'd like to see you prove that. And for that prove that Tobin didn't actually see it.
Once again this shows you are an absolutely horrible self proclaimed debater whom nobody wants to even consider taking seriously.
You are the new joke of the forum and the successor of nebaris.
Again the ship was pulled years prior to TSL and if tobin was actually there to witness it he would had been enslaved by nihilus mind raping abilities.
Reflect on that oh and
Prove up or shut the hell up which you have yet to do either.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAnd the thing is that nihilus had countless sith personal so i don't see why he couldn't have simply towed the ravager with other ships.
If Nihilus used a fleet to pull it out then he would need people (witnesses) to crew the ships and if he used the force then I'm right and Tobin was correct.
And once again prove that tobin was actually there to witness it, prove that he is telling the truth.
Prove up or shut the hell up which you have yet to do either.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAh yes more lies coming from mr unreliable bastard, again what are these "planets devoid of life" and again post the fcking quote.
The jedi masters said that they felt planets becoming devoid of life, being drained by nihilus and thats what caused them to become scared, meet on Katarr, go into hiding etc.
I'm not sad enough to play through the whole game to get the quote for you though, but rest assured I've seen it pretty recently (days).
If he were to actually drain more worlds then how come katarr was the only one mentioned? How come nobody talked about the destruction of other planets when so many people were talking about the devastation of katarr?
Then how come visas who sucks nihilus dick and know alot about him never mentioned of other worlds getting destroyed?
You just seem to forget that had nihilus drained "many other planets", he would have exposed himself to the remaining jedi and military forces.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusHow does this answer my question? Again prove he was telling the truth and stop trying to bring up half assed pathetic analogies which don't even make sense.Occums razor states that he wasn't. He thought he wasn't going to live very long and was really depressed, its very unlikely that he was making up crap just for spite.
Plus you have to remember that he isn't real. He's a 2-demensional character. Its very, very unlikely that the writers would have him lie just to big Nihilus up, especially when they just spent the whole game doing just that. More likely, they just wanted him to actually be powerful.
Prove up or shut the hell up which you have yet to do either.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusOh right beasties in the GRAVITY WELL, again this does not answer my question. You just seem to forget the beasts were on the SURFACE so why would nihilus drag it there where those buggers NEST and live around?
Becuase there are are lots of horrible beasties on Malachor, and its easier to repair it away from them.
Your more idiotic than i ever imagined and your intelligence is going down with every word you attempt to type. Are you sure you didn't get your mom to type all these words for you?
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAh yes i affirmed lordknightfall which means i'm insulting him, your really really intelligent my friend.
You're insulting me by insulting knightfall and also yourself. Well done, ace 😉
Keep the humor going on please, oh and your sarcasm fails to even impress me.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusNope, i gave you a wall of text and all you could come up with is a few petty lines and fallacious analogies which don't make sense.
Hmmm, you seem to have skipped over half my argument. Bit lazy of you.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAh yes which further backs me that he could have simply flown the ship with those forces that he had.
Yeah, I'm sure that all those dark jedi, pilots and Sith troops on his ship were all just imaginary. Again, Nice one ace 😉
Again the "forces" i was referring to are the mechanics and technicians idiot. Learn to read for the sake of screaming shit.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusTelling the truth despite not being present there? How ironic, i guess exar kun is far more powerful than revan because "suvam tam says so".
Again, Occums razor states that the most logical and likely thing would be for him to be telling the truth and also for Nihilus to have used the force.
I guess tulak would shit on both kun and revan and bane because "kreia says so"
I guess revan is the heart of the force(literally) because "kreia says so".
I guess caedus surpassed DE sidious because "lumiya says so".
Shut up douche and actually prove that he was telling the truth.
Oh and this quote disproves your crap that "tobin was telling the truth because he was gonna die"
Eventually he found himself before Darth Nihilus and informed him of the academy. In his hunger for the Force, the Sith Lord summoned his fleet to Telos, which started the Battle of Telos IV. During it, the Jedi Exile once again crossed paths with Tobin aboard the Ravager, Nihilus's flagship (by that time, Tobin's appearance was visibly gaunt, likely a result of Nihilus's hunger). Tobin realized at last that Nihilus did not care for Onderon, and had he won the battle, it would be his next target. Therefore, Tobin turned away from the Sith and agreed to help the Exile and her Mandalorian allies to destroy the ship.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAs is your unsupported theory that he pulled the ship out of the well with the force is.
Your crap theory that Nihilus used ships is faulty ( Where would he get those ships from? If he had them then why does he want the Leviathan?)
LOL and where did he get those ships from? You seem to forget that not all ships were destroyed in the final battle at the star forge and the fact that those ships in the battle of telos showed no exterior damage or even signs that it was dragged into a gravity well.
If those ships were actually sucked into that well then the ships hull would appear dented and deformed which in this case they didn't.
Now shut up son.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Its the most probable thing to have happened and untill something comes up which disproves it or another valid theory that has enough evidence behind it is put forward, it must be held as the most probable and therefor the correct turn of events.
Let me rephrase is for you.
Its notthe most probable thing to have happened and untill something comes up which proves it or another valid theory that has evidence behind it is put forward, it must be notheld as the most probable and therefor the wrong turn of events.
Bingo.
I dunno if I should really intervene, but some stuff:
1. Even if Nihilus did pull out the ravager using the force from Malachor's Gravity well, it's not nearly enough to put him on a superior tier with Luke, who was capable of ripping out the engines of Star Destroyers, blocking incredibly powerful blaster bolts with the force (and that's well before LotF), and was also (I believe) capable of manipulating black holes.
2. He was able to immobilize Darth Caedus by lifting his finger. The same Darth Caedus who was said to have force powers that surpassed VADER'S, who was said to have 80% of Darth Sidious' raw power, had incredible knowledge of the dark side and was capable of killing people lightyears away. Could he do so to Nihilus? Quite possibly. And, incidentally, Luke can also move waaaay faster than Nihilus and obliterate him in a lightsaber duel.
3. Nihilus, apparently, can't 'see', but rather only sense the force. The Fallanassi technique will therefore be more than enough to disable his arsenal of weapons.
Exodus, I understand that you hate Luke (I hate him, too), and while there are certain characters in the Star Wars mythos that can challenge him, he is, most probably, the most powerful force user in Star Wars history. Nihilus doesn't compare to him.
You know Ivalice, you are by far the single most unpleasant human being that I have ever met.
And he could be referenced to him using machines or his political power in the sith triumviate whereas his could also be referencing to his power over people to do his work.
Extremely unlikely given the context of the sentence.
But the whole problem with your crappy analogy yet again is that nowhere was it ever stated that "palpatine destroyed alderaan" and even if it did it was in reference to palpatines [/b]military power[/b] which in this case nihilus has.
Mein Gott!!! It was a hypothetical example you turd!! And the post I made makes it very clear why it would be stupid to consider the destruction of alderaan an indication of Palps personal power.
Tobin wouldn't of made a big deal of the fact that Nihilus used ships to drag the Leviathan. That isn't the type of thing that you reverentually say 'that is the measure of his power' about.
Why should i have to prove tobin didn't see it when the burden of proof falls on you?
How about becuase its the backbone of your entire argument, *******?
And the thing is that nihilus had countless sith personal so i don't see why he couldn't have simply towed the ravager with other ships.
becuase he's an omnipotent Sith Lord and its just easy and impressive. The whys not important, but that he actually did it.
So i guess by your shit logic, hitler would be a martial art god seeing that he was claimed to be "unstoppable" when infact it was referenced to his military power.
No, becuase my quote referenced personal power rather than military power. Yours doesn't.
I've run out of time so I'll come back tomorrow, then on Monday.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusJust like how your the new biggest joke of the forums whom everybody pauses just to laugh at.
You know Ivalice, you are by far the single most unpleasant human being that I have ever met.
Oh and met? Please have you even seen my facelet alone actually speak to me in person?
If we ever met i would pound you to dust considering that my biceps are large enough to give me enough strength to break your joints.
You have been owned and got your ass handed to you in the process by sir gideon and i yet you still insist on coming back for more. Even nebaris knows when to shut up.
Hell even the 40 year old guy who can't get laid surfing kiddie porn in his mothers basement pauses for a moment just to laugh at you.
LOL your a pathetic excuse to be called a human being.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAnd the context of the sentence is open to interpretation. Just because you want it to mean that he used the force doesn't make it so, especially when theres nothing to back you up.
[b]Extremely unlikely given the context of the sentence.
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Originally posted by Darth ExodusA hypothetical example which makes no sense at all "turd". Again no where was it ever implied that "palpatine destroyed alderaan", its more like "the empire destroyed alderaan".
Mein Gott!!! It was a hypothetical example you turd!! And the post I made makes it very clear why it would be stupid to consider the destruction of alderaan an indication of Palps personal power.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusFirst off the ship is known as the ravager you babbling idiot, not the leviathan(which is sauls and malaks ship).
Tobin wouldn't of made a big deal of the fact that Nihilus used ships to drag the Leviathan. That isn't the type of thing that you reverentually say 'that is the measure of his power' about.
If you can't even correctly name and remember the name of nihilus flagship, how is anybody suppose to take you seriously? Hell you even went as far as to claim that you "played the game a few days earlier" and still can't even correctly name his ship.
Idiot.
Secondly it WOULD be a big deal if he ever used other ships to tow the ravager, just as it would be a big deal if several small vessels tugged the titanic.
Thirdly who ever said that "the ravager only got dragged by other ships"? I merely listed a few possibilities to debunk your unsupported speculative assertions.
lying fanboys can't save nihilus.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusHow about the fact that you fail to understand the meaning of the burden of proof and the very fact that you can't prove up hence the need at a futile attempt to throw the burden on someone else?
How about becuase its the backbone of your [b]entire argument, *******?[/B]
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAHAHA omnipotent my ass, so because you say he is omnipotent that makes him a god? That makes him more powerful than dark empire sidious?
becuase he's an omnipotent Sith Lord and its just easy and impressive. The whys not important, but that he actually did it.
Do you KNOW what omnipotent beings are? They are eternal, they are unstoppable, they are immortal.
Characters like the one above all from marvel are omnipotent, not excuses like nihilus.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusAgain "your" "quote" is open to interpretation simply because there is absolutely nothing to substantiate nor prove that he actually used the force.
No, becuase my quote referenced personal power rather than military power. Yours doesn't.
Originally posted by Darth ExodusGo ahead and make a bigger joke of yourself and argue somemore like a broken record.
I've run out of time so I'll come back tomorrow, then on Monday.
Originally posted by Master CrimzonWell said master crimzon. This alone won't be enough to shut JR nebaris up though, so please continue to own him.
I dunno if I should really intervene, but some stuff:1. Even if Nihilus did pull out the ravager using the force from Malachor's Gravity well, it's not nearly enough to put him on a superior tier with Luke, who was capable of ripping out the engines of Star Destroyers, blocking incredibly powerful blaster bolts with the force (and that's well before LotF), and was also (I believe) capable of manipulating black holes.
2. He was able to immobilize Darth Caedus by lifting his finger. The same Darth Caedus who was said to have force powers that surpassed VADER'S, who was said to have 80% of Darth Sidious' raw power, had incredible knowledge of the dark side and was capable of killing people lightyears away. Could he do so to Nihilus? Quite possibly. And, incidentally, Luke can also move waaaay faster than Nihilus and obliterate him in a lightsaber duel.
3. Nihilus, apparently, can't 'see', but rather only sense the force. The Fallanassi technique will therefore be more than enough to disable his arsenal of weapons.
Exodus, I understand that you hate Luke (I hate him, too), and while there are certain characters in the Star Wars mythos that can challenge him, he is, most probably, the most powerful force user in Star Wars history. Nihilus doesn't compare to him.
LOL. Guilt by association appears to go a seriously long way over here. Exodus, I personally wouldn't bother. You're arguing with, quite possibly, the biggest wasteman on the internet, who's opinions and mannerisms appear to adjust in accordance with those around him. Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen so many forced 'pal's and 'son's in my life, not to mention the outright weird copying and pasting.
Originally posted by TavenGet lost nebaris, nobody gives a shit about your opinions. Oh and talk about the "biggest wasteman" on the internet, that applies completely to you as you have created over 40 accounts and nearing 50 soon enough and just can't seem to move on with life in the real world and the need to come back to KMC like a broken child.
LOL. Guilt by association appears to go a seriously long way over here. Exodus, I personally wouldn't bother. You're arguing with, quite possibly, the biggest wasteman on the internet, who's opinions and mannerisms appear to adjust in accordance with those around him. Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen so many forced 'pal's and 'son's in my life, not to mention the outright weird copying and pasting.
Oh and to you its such a big deal that my attitude and opinions adjust to those around me, at least that is what made me acceptable to society and actually being able to get along which is far better than ending up like you whom is so anti social and one where nobody finds pleasent to talk to because of your ego's.
If copying and pasting a few sentences over and over(which you yourself do you hypocrite) again to stress a point is "weird" , i wonder what creating 40 over accounts and making large wall of texts that nobody even bothers to read is.
What a hypocritical bastard.
You just brought the word "pathetic" to a whole new level.
I dunno, Arnold. He may have similar opinions to Nebaris (in other words, completely false opinions), but unlike Nebaris, his points weren't destroyed a million times over again, and he appears to be nicer than Nebaris. Oh, and waaaaaaay less stuck-up and arrogant.
Exodus, if you could please refer to my points.
Nebaris, just drop dead.
Originally posted by Taven
LOL. Guilt by association appears to go a seriously long way over here. Exodus, I personally wouldn't bother. You're arguing with, quite possibly, the biggest wasteman on the internet, who's opinions and mannerisms appear to adjust in accordance with those around him. Seriously, I don't think I've ever seen so many forced 'pal's and 'son's in my life, not to mention the outright weird copying and pasting.
This coming from the biggest joke on the internet. You give a whole new meaning to the concepts of safe sex, abortion, and utter stupidity.
Firstly, get it right. It's nearing 200. Not that it matters, as it takes seconds to make an account, and done purely for the reason that I can.
Secondly, the biggest wasteman on the internet (and sheep, for that matter) is exactly what you are.
Taken directly from your profile, and the "Should revan be a white man" thread:
Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Forth, you started with me, like you try to do with everyone else, only this time you came barking up the wrong tree, homie. You tried to call me out and in the process, you made yourself look EXTREMELY stupid and now everyone is just laughing at you. Even the 40 year old guy who cant get laid, is taking time from looking up kiddie porn, just to stop and laugh at you. LOL...you're a funny little kid...stay up man...and keep your sorry ass, pathetic posts coming, I could use a good laugh before I go to bed. You brighten my whole day.
Taken from this thread, minutes ago:
Originally posted by Schwarzenegger
Hell even the 40 year old guy who can't get laid surfing kiddie porn in his mothers basement pauses for a moment just to laugh at you.
Now while I'm sure that Darth Subjekt is immensely flattered that you're trying so hard to emulate him, it's getting slightly creepy and a little scary.
Now that, along with the extremely forced and copied mannerisms of other members here, the slightly odd method in seeking recognition for owning people on the internet, taking everything absolutely literally as far as conversing with people over the internet goes, and the forever vile language and irrational grudges you form, and it's been established; you = the wasteman.
As for your argument, it's perfectly fitting for your level of wasteman.
1. The fact that Tobin is aware of intimate information about the event in question in the first place (Nihilus pulling the fleet from the gravity well, which is confirmed by the omniscient narrator via the loading screen) automatically validates his credibility on the matter.
Along with the fact that there is no visible reason to question his authenticity, it can be safely assumed that Tobin, in this case, is being used as exposition, and thus, for all intents and purposes, his word can be treated factually.
2. As for you questioning the meaning of power within the statement, as hard as it may be to believe, it's even more annoyingly stupid than what you've already been saying. The entire lecture that Tobin was giving the party revolved around just how personally powerful a threat Nihilus was. The idea that it was a measure of the power of his military makes no sense whatsoever; Tobin, the second in command of a planetary sized military spoke on the matter in absolute awe; Nihilus' minimal sized fleet wouldn't be something that someone of such a position would be in complete awe of.
But anyways, I'm done, I have a new policy and it's that I converse with wastemen as minimally as I can, so bye now wasteman, and let's hope that if I ever choose to privilege you with more of my time, you won't be as big a wasteman as you are right now... wasteman.
It's rather funny how you're proud of the amount of socks you have, Nebaris.
Oh, and on a second note, regarding this debate in general, I don't think it's unlikely that Nihilus really pulled the Ravagar out of the gravity well. Not that it matters, as I've detailed in my post, as Luke has that beaten, quite handily.
what does it truly matter if nihilus did do that? or that he can drain an individual. What are the chances he could actually pull that off on luke? i really really doubt it. Chances are, he would find himself unable to move, and then realize it was cause luke OWNS him. Moving ships really means nothing: size matters not. The ships had no ability to KEEP themselves from being moved. Nihilus tries a similar move in a crushing manner against luke.... and luke blocks it.... on the to next part of the fight. what does it matter if nihilus can move a ship?
Originally posted by Taven
Who cares? You're comparing one of Nihilus' lowest displays of power with Luke's best, and ignoring Nihilus' planetary level destructive showings. It's St00pid with a capital S and two zeroes.
That's great, Nebaris, only that Luke possesses techniques that will make Nihilus' arsenal of weapons completely useless. Nihilus was stated to be capable of perceiving only locations that possess a massive amount of life force, and is, apparently, incapable of 'seeing' individual, normal people (otherwise, that Mandalorians blowing up his ship would be toast), and therefore, all Luke needs is the Fallanassi looping technique in order to avoid detection by Nihilus. And I don't think I'll find an argument when I say that Nihilus is waaaay below Luke in terms of saber abilities, correct?
To use one of your most commonly used expressions, there's certainly a chance that Nihilus' uber force drain was 'ritualistic in nature'. The details of his actual drain are unknown, so- while highly impressive- it could both be that it was done instanteously or done utilizing a prolonged ritual, which seems likely considering he didn't use his 'uber drain' on Telos.
And even so, Nihilus' TK techniques have not only been more than equally matched by Luke's more controlled, refined techniques, his drain is completely and utterly useless, especially seeing as Luke both possesses sufficiently powerful defenses and can possibly speed-blitz Nihilus.
Originally posted by TavenOh please like i am going to respond to that crap, i already refuted and explained why tobin cannot be taken seriously and i have already explained why the loading screen does not back him up.
Firstly, get it right. It's nearing 200. Not that it matters, as it takes seconds to make an account, and done purely for the reason that I can.Secondly, the biggest wasteman on the internet (and sheep, for that matter) is exactly what you are.
Taken directly from your profile, and the "Should revan be a white man" thread:
Taken from this thread, minutes ago:
Now while I'm sure that Darth Subjekt is immensely flattered that you're trying so hard to emulate him, it's getting slightly creepy and a little scary.
Now that, along with the extremely forced and copied mannerisms of other members here, the slightly odd method in seeking recognition for owning people on the internet, taking everything absolutely literally as far as conversing with people over the internet goes, and the forever vile language and irrational grudges you form, and it's been established; you = the wasteman.
As for your argument, it's perfectly fitting for your level of wasteman.
1. The fact that Tobin is aware of intimate information about the event in question in the first place (Nihilus pulling the fleet from the gravity well, which is confirmed by the omniscient narrator via the loading screen) automatically validates his credibility on the matter.
Along with the fact that there is no visible reason to question his authenticity, it can be safely assumed that Tobin, in this case, is being used as exposition, and thus, for all intents and purposes, his word can be treated factually.
2. As for you questioning the meaning of power within the statement, as hard as it may be to believe, it's even more annoyingly stupid than what you've already been saying. The entire lecture that Tobin was giving the party revolved around just how personally powerful a threat Nihilus was. The idea that it was a measure of the power of his military makes no sense whatsoever; Tobin, the second in command of a planetary sized military spoke on the matter in absolute awe; Nihilus' minimal sized fleet wouldn't be something that someone of such a position would be in complete awe of.
But anyways, I'm done, I have a new policy and it's that I converse with wastemen as minimally as I can, so bye now wasteman, and let's hope that if I ever choose to privilege you with more of my time, you won't be as big a wasteman as you are right now... wasteman.
Despite you claiming "personally i wouldn't bother with him", you contradict yourself and go ahead and actually try to conjure up a rebuttal already refuted earlier by at least 2 members which makes you look even more stupid and idiotic than you already are.
Its pretty amusing that you call me a wasteman seeing that you are obviously the biggest "wasteman"(for obvious reasons) and the biggest loser whom exists on the face of the earth.
You SHOULD get a new policy which is get-a-life.
First off, mabye you should try actually refuting Nebaris' point Ivalice (if you can) instead of dismissing them offhand, becuase they actually do blow sizable chunk's out of your argument.
at least that is what made me acceptable to society and actually being able to get along which is far better than ending up like you whom is so anti social and one where nobody finds pleasent to talk to because of your ego's.
It would be inconsequential if not for the worrying fact that thats exactly what stalin did too. And thas not a very favourable comparison for you. plus it shows that you completely lack the spine to be yourself.
Eventually he found himself before Darth Nihilus and informed him of the academy. In his hunger for the Force, the Sith Lord summoned his fleet to Telos, which started the Battle of Telos IV. During it, the Jedi Exile once again crossed paths with Tobin aboard the Ravager, Nihilus's flagship (by that time, Tobin's appearance was visibly gaunt, likely a result of Nihilus's hunger). Tobin realized at last that Nihilus did not care for Onderon, and had he won the battle, it would be his next target. Therefore, Tobin turned away from the Sith and agreed to help the Exile and her Mandalorian allies to destroy the ship.
Ha!! Thanks for backing me up Arnold! If tobin made the statement before he decided to help the Exile then he would be depressed and unlikely to lie and if he did it afterwards then he wouldn't be lying to his own allies now would he.
Hell even the 40 year old guy who can't get laid surfing kiddie porn in his mothers basement pauses for a moment just to laugh at you.LOL your a pathetic excuse to be called a human being.
You know its funny how you once told me that you yourself used to be 'even stupider' than me. I gues you must have been some form of dog then.
A hypothetical example which makes no sense at all "turd". Again no where was it ever implied that "palpatine destroyed alderaan", its more like "the empire destroyed alderaan".
Do you even know what hypothetical means? Let me spell it out for you: It doesn't have to have been implied anywhere, I made the statement up, 'turd'.
And the context of the sentence is open to interpretation. Just because you want it to mean that he used the force doesn't make it so, especially when theres nothing to back you up.
What nebaris said.
First off the ship is known as the ravager you babbling idiot, not the leviathan(which is sauls and malaks ship).
What is in a name?
If you can't even correctly name and remember the name of nihilus flagship, how is anybody suppose to take you seriously? Hell you even went as far as to claim that you "played the game a few days earlier" and still can't even correctly name his ship.
My brother did. I only watched the big fights.
Idiot.
Again the ship was pulled years prior to TSL and if tobin was actually there to witness it he would had been enslaved by nihilus mind raping abilities.
Yeah, becuase Tobin was only 2 when that happened so couldn't possibly have been there. And he could have been safe on another ship.
Ah yes more lies coming from mr unreliable bastard, again what are these "planets devoid of life" and again post the fcking quote.
Again, I'm not sad enough to spend 20 hours playing through a game just to prove a point to You.
Why should i have to prove tobin didn't see it when the burden of proof falls on you? You made a claim you prove it pal, i don't have to prove a negative.
No, you have to prove it seeing as You made the claim the tobin wasn't there.
You just seem to forget the beasts were on the SURFACE so why would nihilus drag it there where those buggers NEST and live around?
Mabye becuase all the ships were already on the surface so he wouldn't have to. Or do you not actuallly understand what the MSG actually did.
How does this answer my question?
....... By answering it. Are you O.K. becuase that was preety easy, even for you.
Nope, i gave you a wall of text and all you could come up with is a few petty lines and fallacious analogies which don't make sense.
No I gave you a paragraph with 2 points in. You only answered one.
Fail.
As is your unsupported theory that he pulled the ship out of the well with the force is.
No, my Supported theory is the most likely one and is therefore the correct one. Untill you actually come up with something that can challenge it with enough evidence, I'll just be here grinning cheerfully. My theory is sufficiently backed to be the most likely, wether you fume or not.
Its notthe most probable thing to have happened and untill something comes up which proves it or another valid theory that has evidence behind it is put forward, it must be notheld as the most probable and therefor the wrong turn of events.
Nice try, but no.
Oh, and thanks to Nebaris for helping me.
sorry, crimzom, but I don't know if I have enough time to respond to you. I'll try though.
who was capable of ripping out the engines of Star Destroyers,
That might put them on a similar tier, When was this.
blocking incredibly powerful blaster bolts with the force (and that's well before LotF),
Caedus, Vader and Nomi Sunrider could all do this, not enough.
and was also (I believe) capable of manipulating black holes.
Not really much use here.
see you all on Monday!!! Sorry Crimzom.
I'm going to make this very simple and for the final time: it all comes down to whether or not Tobin was present to witness Darth Nihilus retrieve the (fleet? ship?) from the mass shadows. If he was, then the statement can be used, though you'd still need to substantiate how the feat was performed; was Nihilus retrieving the (fleet? ship?) from the mass shadows on sheer power? Was a ritual used? How long did it take? If Tobin wasn't there, then the statement means absolutely nothing. Unlike the embarrassing analogies you tried to use earlier, Tobin isn't an omniscient third party nor is he a member of the historical council of a galactic hyperpower that has spent years on research with unlimited resources and budget.
It's not my job to prove or disprove anything. You want to prove the statement? Fine and dandy. Now prove he was there.