Forgiveness

It seems our views of forgiveness are different, and I have a feeling we aren't speaking of the same things. What is your vision of forgiveness?

Originally posted by Mandos
It seems our views of forgiveness are different, and I have a feeling we aren't speaking of the same things. What is your vision of forgiveness?

I am using the dictionary to define the word:

Forgiveness is the act of forgiving.

To forgive is to excuse somebody for a mistake, misunderstanding, wrongdoing, or inappropriate behavior.

What does the word forgiveness mean to you? 😕

Is it a code word of some kind?

His philosophical understanding of Forgiveness seems to be much deeper than yours...I agree with him. (Mandos that is)

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
His philosophical understanding of Forgiveness seems to be much deeper than yours...I agree with him. (Mandos that is)

Please explain. Unless you are using the word as a code word, then the dictionary definition is what we are talking about.

Forgivness in the Bible is more than just the forgiveness description in the dictionnary. What it englobes is deeply larger than a few lines.

Originally posted by Mandos
Forgivness in the Bible is more than just the forgiveness description in the dictionnary. What it englobes is deeply larger than a few lines.

I disagree. Forgiveness is that bible is the same word as in the dictionary. Please give me an example that moves past the definition of the word.

It's not a question of altering forgiveness' definition. it is merely that we can apply it to a larger sense.

Originally posted by Mandos
It's not a question of altering forgiveness' definition. it is merely that we can apply it to a larger sense.

So, please explain this "larger sense".

There is to forgive someone, there is to forgive something. Forgiveness can be a way of life to attain purity and to toss away hate, and it's more than what the dictionnary says. It's mor ethan an action.

When you believe, you forgive. And when you forgive, you love.

Originally posted by Mandos
There is to forgive someone, there is to forgive something. Forgiveness can be a way of life to attain purity and to toss away hate, and it's more than what the dictionnary says. It's mor ethan an action.

When you believe, you forgive. And when you forgive, you love.

How would forgiveness lead to purity? Forgiveness may lead to a type of release, but it is just delusion if there is no responsibility along with it.

"When you believe, you forgive. And when you forgive, you love."

When you believe in what? What do you then forgive? Do you need to forgive before you can love?

Which is more pure to you; to love only after forgiveness or to love regardless of forgiveness?

You take forgiveness, and let the other take responsibility. Do not mix them together, there are two seperate things.

Purest is love with forgiveness, for you cannot love as you should if you cannot forgive.

Believe in the value of forgiveness, and you will forgive what it is you should forgive, even if the other one is in no regrets.

Originally posted by Mandos
You take forgiveness, and let the other take responsibility. Do not mix them together, there are two seperate things.

If you do not take responsibility for all things in your life, you will never learn from the mistakes you have made.

When you say the “let the other take responsibility”, what are you talking about? Are you saying that you are a victim who has never done any wrong in your life?

Originally posted by Mandos
Purest is love with forgiveness, for you cannot love as you should if you cannot forgive.

Your love is limited. If forgiveness is required, then love will always be limited by forgiveness.

Originally posted by Mandos
Believe in the value of forgiveness, and you will forgive what it is you should forgive, even if the other one is in no regrets.

Who is this “other one” you are talking about? I am talking about you, and the things that you have done.

You're mixing quite some things up in your sentences. I have to go for today, but I'll leave it at the discretion of other people, such as Gran Moff Gav, to explain what I mean. I beleive he understands.

Originally posted by Mandos
You're mixing quite some things up in your sentences. I have to go for today, but I'll leave it at the discretion of other people, such as Gran Moff Gav, to explain what I mean. I beleive he understands.

I know that if you cannot explain something, then you do not understand it yourself.

I think he means the ability to forgive- no matter how bad you have been wronged- will help you become a stronger person and deal with any grief/anxieties much more effectively than other people.

If honed this ability would allow you to stop hating other people and thus love.

Love through forgiveness.

Forgiveness is not for a "Gods" sake, cause this god would be all knowing...it was for "Mans," sake, for his betterment in relation with others.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Forgiveness is not for a "Gods" sake, cause this god would be all knowing...it was for "Mans," sake, for his betterment in relation with others.

Indeed, a possibility but then, even if someone is all knowing and all powerful is it not equal possible that when someone wrongs that entity, said entity has the power to forgive them?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Indeed, a possibility but then, even if someone is all knowing and all powerful is it not equal possible that when someone wrongs that entity, said entity has the power to forgive them?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Wrongs an entity star-lights above them? In the Bible it is said that god is not describable nor his ways......so we cannot fathom those ways in all things. To even try to imagine it would be wrong according to the Bible........It was mans manipulations that tried to make to to our understand, and that to me is blasphemous.

Well luckily for us Jesus (God the Son) told us what would offend God...thusly, we know what wrongs him...

However, even if we didn't know what wronged God...we could still ask for forgiveness for anything we did do that wronged him.

Also, he isn't light-years (you said star-lights) above us...he's omnipresent.

forgivness.......knowi a wrong committed. Yet there wongs thatare not forgiven, yes, by your churfch. . Sorryt for the misspellings.........not to a lalllllllllllllllptop..........kGrrr