thoughts on sentry vs wwh

Originally posted by Hannibal-Lector
In my opinion, the satalite would have worked on Sentry IF it hit him but hes too fast for that...... Although i have always thought that the hulk's words of wisdom (so to speak) greatly affected Sentry's preformance in battle (like Sentry was trying to regain control of himself which is why at the end he thanks him)

exactly,

but im not sure about the satellites part because that hulk even says that they wouldnt work on the sentry...and the hulk would know better then anybody about something like that

Ok, it's clear that some people are missing a concept. Having a rediculous healing factor, is not durability. Bleeding from Wolverine or punches from Iron Man, isn't durability.

Hulk had a rediculous healing factor during WWH. NOT DURABILITY. Major difference. Durability, would mean he doesn't feel blows or they do little to no damage. A great healing factor, means it just heals over and he keeps going.

Sentry has 1-3 speed feats. Which is good, but only one of them is maybe lightspeed, and since Iron Man was with him during the Collective episode (when said feat occured), lightspeed is dubious.

BUT! He does have a few legitimate speed feats, enough to catch bullets or whup Iron Man. Hence, he should have been able to blitz Hulk. And here is where the shitty writing clause comes in. Greg Pak is an idiot. That's generally accepted on this forum. And let's be frank, there were several questionable victories and alot of things didn't make any sense.

Skrull-Bolt, assuming he's been around the last 10 years, is still way above what Hulk should be able to beat. This one can be excused abit, since the real Blackagar would have won, like he did the last 3 times they fought.

Reed Richard's prep: Atrocious. This is Mr. Fantastic. I can name 10-20 things he could have done to try and stop Hulk. Instead, they try to outgun him and use a fake Sentry light. And this is a device that Reed was unsure would even work in the first place. ❌ On this forum, Hulk would never beat Reed with prep.

Iron Man: Not shit writing. This one is a legit victory. Tony lost because 'someone' took out the SPIN tech nanos. 😉 It's a credit to Hulk that he wrecked the Hulkbuster.

X-men: It's a victory. But.......it doesn't mean much. 😬 That was a pretty shitty lineup of X-men. And the TP part was very very weird. Especially that Frost and her girls were able to stop Xavier's TP.

Juggernaut: He didn't win. Good stalemate, but even Hulk knew he'd never beat a full power Juggs in a straight fight.

*Edit: whoops. Forgot Ghost Rider. He was holding back, but when the spirit took over, even Hulk was worried. This one is good writing, because GR let him go because he was innocent. But don't mistake that for him being able to beat GR.

Mighty Avengers: Props for it, but it was pretty much just brawling, and he had help. This also isn't exactly the most steller line-up.

Dr. Strange: This is half Strange being depowered, and half outright garbage. Busting Strange's hands on the Astral plane? Beating a piece of Zom? Strange being unable to cast spells to heal his hands, or even to cast spells without them, which he has done? Pak should be shot for this one. 👇

Sentry: I don't buy any of Sentry's hype. And regardless of the shitty writing, for his supposed power level, he should have done better. The fact that he was beaten the way he was, is a disgrace to Superman clones.

WWH was easily one of the best displays of durability in comics amongst top tiers.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The fact that he was beaten the way he was, is a disgrace to Superman clones.

Lulz.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, it's clear that some people are missing a concept. Having a rediculous healing factor, is not durability. Bleeding from Wolverine or punches from Iron Man, isn't durability.

Hulk had a rediculous healing factor during WWH. NOT DURABILITY. Major difference. Durability, would mean he doesn't feel blows or they do little to no damage. A great healing factor, means it just heals over and he keeps going.

Sentry has 1-3 speed feats. Which is good, but only one of them is maybe lightspeed, and since Iron Man was with him during the Collective episode (when said feat occured), lightspeed is dubious.

BUT! He does have a few legitimate speed feats, enough to catch bullets or whup Iron Man. Hence, he should have been able to blitz Hulk. And here is where the shitty writing clause comes in. Greg Pak is an idiot. That's generally accepted on this forum. And let's be frank, there were several questionable victories and alot of things didn't make any sense.

Skrull-Bolt, assuming he's been around the last 10 years, is still way above what Hulk should be able to beat. This one can be excused abit, since the real Blackagar would have won, like he did the last 3 times they fought.

Reed Richard's prep: Atrocious. This is Mr. Fantastic. I can name 10-20 things he could have done to try and stop Hulk. Instead, they try to outgun him and use a fake Sentry light. And this is a device that Reed was unsure would even work in the first place. ❌ On this forum, Hulk would never beat Reed with prep.

Iron Man: Not shit writing. This one is a legit victory. Tony lost because 'someone' took out the SPIN tech nanos. 😉 It's a credit to Hulk that he wrecked the Hulkbuster.

X-men: It's a victory. But.......it doesn't mean much. 😬 That was a pretty shitty lineup of X-men. And the TP part was very very weird. Especially that Frost and her girls were able to stop Xavier's TP.

Juggernaut: He didn't win. Good stalemate, but even Hulk knew he'd never beat a full power Juggs in a straight fight.

*Edit: whoops. Forgot Ghost Rider. He was holding back, but when the spirit took over, even Hulk was worried. This one is good writing, because GR let him go because he was innocent. But don't mistake that for him being able to beat GR.

Mighty Avengers: Props for it, but it was pretty much just brawling, and he had help. This also isn't exactly the most steller line-up.

Dr. Strange: This is half Strange being depowered, and half outright garbage. Busting Strange's hands on the Astral plane? Beating a piece of Zom? Strange being unable to cast spells to heal his hands, or even to cast spells without them, which he has done? Pak should be shot for this one. 👇

Sentry: I don't buy any of Sentry's hype. And regardless of the shitty writing, for his supposed power level, he should have done better. The fact that he was beaten the way he was, is a disgrace to Superman clones.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, it's clear that some people are missing a concept. Having a rediculous healing factor, is not durability. Bleeding from Wolverine or punches from Iron Man, isn't durability.

Hulk had a rediculous healing factor during WWH. NOT DURABILITY. Major difference. Durability, would mean he doesn't feel blows or they do little to no damage. A great healing factor, means it just heals over and he keeps going.

Sentry has 1-3 speed feats. Which is good, but only one of them is maybe lightspeed, and since Iron Man was with him during the Collective episode (when said feat occured), lightspeed is dubious.

BUT! He does have a few legitimate speed feats, enough to catch bullets or whup Iron Man. Hence, he should have been able to blitz Hulk. And here is where the shitty writing clause comes in. Greg Pak is an idiot. That's generally accepted on this forum. And let's be frank, there were several questionable victories and alot of things didn't make any sense.

Skrull-Bolt, assuming he's been around the last 10 years, is still way above what Hulk should be able to beat. This one can be excused abit, since the real Blackagar would have won, like he did the last 3 times they fought.

Reed Richard's prep: Atrocious. This is Mr. Fantastic. I can name 10-20 things he could have done to try and stop Hulk. Instead, they try to outgun him and use a fake Sentry light. And this is a device that Reed was unsure would even work in the first place. ❌ On this forum, Hulk would never beat Reed with prep.

Iron Man: Not shit writing. This one is a legit victory. Tony lost because 'someone' took out the SPIN tech nanos. 😉 It's a credit to Hulk that he wrecked the Hulkbuster.

X-men: It's a victory. But.......it doesn't mean much. 😬 That was a pretty shitty lineup of X-men. And the TP part was very very weird. Especially that Frost and her girls were able to stop Xavier's TP.

Juggernaut: He didn't win. Good stalemate, but even Hulk knew he'd never beat a full power Juggs in a straight fight.

*Edit: whoops. Forgot Ghost Rider. He was holding back, but when the spirit took over, even Hulk was worried. This one is good writing, because GR let him go because he was innocent. But don't mistake that for him being able to beat GR.

Mighty Avengers: Props for it, but it was pretty much just brawling, and he had help. This also isn't exactly the most steller line-up.

Dr. Strange: This is half Strange being depowered, and half outright garbage. Busting Strange's hands on the Astral plane? Beating a piece of Zom? Strange being unable to cast spells to heal his hands, or even to cast spells without them, which he has done? Pak should be shot for this one. 👇

Sentry: I don't buy any of Sentry's hype. And regardless of the shitty writing, for his supposed power level, he should have done better. The fact that he was beaten the way he was, is a disgrace to Superman clones.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, it's clear that some people are missing a concept. Having a rediculous healing factor, is not durability. Bleeding from Wolverine or punches from Iron Man, isn't durability.

Hulk had a rediculous healing factor during WWH. NOT DURABILITY. Major difference. Durability, would mean he doesn't feel blows or they do little to no damage. A great healing factor, means it just heals over and he keeps going.

Sentry has 1-3 speed feats. Which is good, but only one of them is maybe lightspeed, and since Iron Man was with him during the Collective episode (when said feat occured), lightspeed is dubious.

BUT! He does have a few legitimate speed feats, enough to catch bullets or whup Iron Man. Hence, he should have been able to blitz Hulk. And here is where the shitty writing clause comes in. Greg Pak is an idiot. That's generally accepted on this forum. And let's be frank, there were several questionable victories and alot of things didn't make any sense.

Skrull-Bolt, assuming he's been around the last 10 years, is still way above what Hulk should be able to beat. This one can be excused abit, since the real Blackagar would have won, like he did the last 3 times they fought.

Reed Richard's prep: Atrocious. This is Mr. Fantastic. I can name 10-20 things he could have done to try and stop Hulk. Instead, they try to outgun him and use a fake Sentry light. And this is a device that Reed was unsure would even work in the first place. ❌ On this forum, Hulk would never beat Reed with prep.

Iron Man: Not shit writing. This one is a legit victory. Tony lost because 'someone' took out the SPIN tech nanos. 😉 It's a credit to Hulk that he wrecked the Hulkbuster.

X-men: It's a victory. But.......it doesn't mean much. 😬 That was a pretty shitty lineup of X-men. And the TP part was very very weird. Especially that Frost and her girls were able to stop Xavier's TP.

Juggernaut: He didn't win. Good stalemate, but even Hulk knew he'd never beat a full power Juggs in a straight fight.

*Edit: whoops. Forgot Ghost Rider. He was holding back, but when the spirit took over, even Hulk was worried. This one is good writing, because GR let him go because he was innocent. But don't mistake that for him being able to beat GR.

Mighty Avengers: Props for it, but it was pretty much just brawling, and he had help. This also isn't exactly the most steller line-up.

Dr. Strange: This is half Strange being depowered, and half outright garbage. Busting Strange's hands on the Astral plane? Beating a piece of Zom? Strange being unable to cast spells to heal his hands, or even to cast spells without them, which he has done? Pak should be shot for this one. 👇

Sentry: I don't buy any of Sentry's hype. And regardless of the shitty writing, for his supposed power level, he should have done better. The fact that he was beaten the way he was, is a disgrace to Superman clones.

The blows he felt in this story did little to no damage. He wasnt even close to losing at anytime. By this I mean he wasnt on the ropes at all. He always came out on top and took everything that came his way.

Sentry caught a bullet before it hit someones face. Call it what you will but thats speed friend.

He was flying into the Hulk and using momentum to hit him harder than he has ever hit anyone previously. The guy raped Terrax with minimal to no effort at all. The guy is a planet wrecker and Sentry raped him with the utmost ease. He was using a lot more power on the WW Hulk and he couldnt ko him. Impressive to say the least.

Again this seems to happen all the time with you and your anti writer stances. You seem to think a majority on kmc really means something about the competency of certain writers. We are in a sense comic book fans with biases and favorite characters all our own. There is enough Hulk hate on here to kill a nation. Anything he did that was impressive in this arc is generally on here considered pis or flat out crap. Its canon in the end and get used to it please. The writers decide whats canon not you or I.

It was explained in this story over and over that the past was dead. So if someone whipped the Hulk before and did it easily then that didnt mean crap here for this story. Hulk was more pissed off than he ever had been before. Ever. BBolt would have taken out Rhode Island but it didnt affect that Hulk that much at all. Wow. Thats a more powerful blast than the Source and Darkseid with regards to the ten miles that had Superman astonished. Not saying collateral damage signifies how powerful a character is but I think I proved my point.

In a story with Reed and WW Hulk Reed came up short. His plan backfired. End of story there.

Iron Man tried using a plot device to beat Hulk. Its like a Superman villain beating Superman with k-nite and nothing more. It wont help anyone beat Superman here on this forum and it wont help anyone beat the Hulk on this forum.

Hulk beat the crap out of the mutants and it was damn impressive to show how he could physically dominate all these mutants and beat Juggs twice in one story.

WW Hulk stood the Juggeranut up and barely gave up any ground at all. Wow he momentarily haled the unstoppable Juggernaut.

Hulk did fine against the Gr but he couldnt touch the Hulk because he was innocent. So the powers were useless against him.

WW Hulk stomped the avengers easily.

Tricking Strange into making himself tangible was brilliant and it showed off how smart and clever the Hulk was in this entire storyline. Strange could stomp him if he wanted to but the story came up imo with a believable way to play this out. Heroes dont butcher heroes so this is totally acceptable to me.

Sentry is one badass top tier. You can choose not to buy into it but many other posters have and will continue to do so. Not beating WW Hulk isnt a low showing by any meaning of the two words.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Durability and healing factor go hand in hand. You cant really separate the two imo.

The blows he felt in this story did little to no damage. He wasnt even close to losing at anytime. By this I mean he wasnt on the ropes at all. He always came out on top and took everything that came his way.

Sentry caught a bullet before it hit someones face. Call it what you will but thats speed friend.

He was flying into the Hulk and using momentum to hit him harder than he has ever hit anyone previously. The guy raped Terrax with minimal to no effort at all. The guy is a planet wrecker and Sentry raped him with the utmost ease. He was using a lot more power on the WW Hulk and he couldnt ko him. Impressive to say the least.

Again this seems to happen all the time with you and your anti writer stances. You seem to think a majority on kmc really means something about the competency of certain writers. We are in a sense comic book fans with biases and favorite characters all our own. There is enough Hulk hate on here to kill a nation. Anything he did that was impressive in this arc is generally on here considered pis or flat out crap. Its canon in the end and get used to it please. The writers decide whats canon not you or I.

It was explained in this story over and over that the past was dead. So if someone whipped the Hulk before and did it easily then that didnt mean crap here for this story. Hulk was more pissed off than he ever had been before. Ever. BBolt would have taken out Rhode Island but it didnt affect that Hulk that much at all. Wow. Thats a more powerful blast than the Source and Darkseid with regards to the ten miles that had Superman astonished. Not saying collateral damage signifies how powerful a character is but I think I proved my point.

In a story with Reed and WW Hulk Reed came up short. His plan backfired. End of story there.

Iron Man tried using a plot device to beat Hulk. Its like a Superman villain beating Superman with k-nite and nothing more. It wont help anyone beat Superman here on this forum and it wont help anyone beat the Hulk on this forum.

Hulk beat the crap out of the mutants and it was damn impressive to show how he could physically dominate all these mutants and beat Juggs twice in one story.

WW Hulk stood the Juggeranut up and barely gave up any ground at all. Wow he momentarily haled the unstoppable Juggernaut.

Hulk did fine against the Gr but he couldnt touch the Hulk because he was innocent. So the powers were useless against him.

WW Hulk stomped the avengers easily.

Tricking Strange into making himself tangible was brilliant and it showed off how smart and clever the Hulk was in this entire storyline. Strange could stomp him if he wanted to but the story came up imo with a believable way to play this out. Heroes dont butcher heroes so this is totally acceptable to me.

Sentry is one badass top tier. You can choose not to buy into it but many other posters have and will continue to do so. Not beating WW Hulk isnt a low showing by any meaning of the two words.

Durabilty is not only resistance to physical damage but how fast you recover from it.

Say two guys get stabbed. Guy1 gets penetrated in the gut, Guy2's skin doesn't even get pierced.

Then the same two guys get shot. Both are pierced.

Only... Guy2, has no regen, he goes down.
Guy 1 who took both the blade and the bullet keeps coming to decap the clown who shot and stabbed them both...healing so fast that it doesnt matter than he got stabbed AND shot. So Yes, Guy2 has tougher skin, but when he's finally hurt - he's outta there.

Thats true Durability. Its not just resisting damage, its how equipped you are to handle it when you do take damage - as well as how fast you repair damage.

Its pretty silly to think you can separate the two factors especially in combat scenarios.

Another ignored factor is how accustomed you are to pain. Ability to fight through Pain is regarded as what separates warriors from thugs. Guys who are used to recieving physical damage like Wolverine for instance, have become so accustomed to pain that he is "used" to it to a degree that it is unlikely to "stop" him in mid-assault. The same goes for Hulk.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Reed Richard's prep: Atrocious. This is Mr. Fantastic. I can name 10-20 things he could have done to try and stop Hulk. Instead, they try to outgun him and use a fake Sentry light. And this is a device that Reed was unsure would even work in the first place. ❌ On this forum, Hulk would never beat Reed with prep.

fake Sentry light? Actually Reed was trying to reproduce Sentry's Calming Aura, pretty much the only thing that could counter and subside Hulk's rage levels - the reason he was as powerful as he was. If you can successfully calm Hulk's rage - you counter any and all threats from him.

Where Reed failed is that WWHulk was more intelligent than Savage Hulk. WWH percieved that Reed's recreation of Sentry's calming ability was a false one, so it failed....successfuly only making WWH angrier.

It was actually a brillinat idea....but his target was far more intuitive and calculating than Reed was accustomed to.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Durability and healing factor go hand in hand. You cant really separate the two imo.

The blows he felt in this story did little to no damage. He wasnt even close to losing at anytime. By this I mean he wasnt on the ropes at all. He always came out on top and took everything that came his way.

Sentry caught a bullet before it hit someones face. Call it what you will but thats speed friend.

He was flying into the Hulk and using momentum to hit him harder than he has ever hit anyone previously. The guy raped Terrax with minimal to no effort at all. The guy is a planet wrecker and Sentry raped him with the utmost ease. He was using a lot more power on the WW Hulk and he couldnt ko him. Impressive to say the least.

Again this seems to happen all the time with you and your anti writer stances. You seem to think a majority on kmc really means something about the competency of certain writers. We are in a sense comic book fans with biases and favorite characters all our own. There is enough Hulk hate on here to kill a nation. Anything he did that was impressive in this arc is generally on here considered pis or flat out crap. Its canon in the end and get used to it please. The writers decide whats canon not you or I.

It was explained in this story over and over that the past was dead. So if someone whipped the Hulk before and did it easily then that didnt mean crap here for this story. Hulk was more pissed off than he ever had been before. Ever. BBolt would have taken out Rhode Island but it didnt affect that Hulk that much at all. Wow. Thats a more powerful blast than the Source and Darkseid with regards to the ten miles that had Superman astonished. Not saying collateral damage signifies how powerful a character is but I think I proved my point.

In a story with Reed and WW Hulk Reed came up short. His plan backfired. End of story there.

Iron Man tried using a plot device to beat Hulk. Its like a Superman villain beating Superman with k-nite and nothing more. It wont help anyone beat Superman here on this forum and it wont help anyone beat the Hulk on this forum.

Hulk beat the crap out of the mutants and it was damn impressive to show how he could physically dominate all these mutants and beat Juggs twice in one story.

WW Hulk stood the Juggeranut up and barely gave up any ground at all. Wow he momentarily haled the unstoppable Juggernaut.

Hulk did fine against the Gr but he couldnt touch the Hulk because he was innocent. So the powers were useless against him.

WW Hulk stomped the avengers easily.

Tricking Strange into making himself tangible was brilliant and it showed off how smart and clever the Hulk was in this entire storyline. Strange could stomp him if he wanted to but the story came up imo with a believable way to play this out. Heroes dont butcher heroes so this is totally acceptable to me.

Sentry is one badass top tier. You can choose not to buy into it but many other posters have and will continue to do so. Not beating WW Hulk isnt a low showing by any meaning of the two words.

i agree with alot of ur point accept a few

GRs powers where not useless against him...it was said he could have stopped him, but the hulk was innocent and GR had no business there

and he didnt beat juggs the second time he just took him out of the picture cuz that fight would have gone on forever

and i still believe that strange and sentry can stomp the hulk...sentrys lose can be argued as i have been argueing it...and ur description for how strange lost was accurate, if the strange fight would happen again thing would happen differently

Originally posted by bbrem123
i agree with alot of ur point accept a few

GRs powers where not useless against him...it was said he could have stopped him, but the hulk was innocent and GR had no business there

and he didnt beat juggs the second time he just took him out of the picture cuz that fight would have gone on forever

and i still believe that strange and sentry can stomp the hulk...sentrys lose can be argued as i have been argueing it...and ur description for how strange lost was accurate, if the strange fight would happen again thing would happen differently

He bfr'd Juggs which is a victory according to forum rules.

Sentry cant stomp the WW Hulk no way no how. Strange is a sorcerer so he definitely could but Sentry couldnt even beat a WW Hulk who wasnt even at his angriest. If he fought the one at the end of the book he would have been decimated imo.

Originally posted by llagrok
I just think it's funny how slow the Sentry was moving, etc.

Agreed. Sentry should/would not have gotten hit if written correctly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok but the Ghost Rider is out there to punish sinners not to enact vengeance on random people was my point. I shoul dhave worded it differently but I just posted and didnt look back. LoL.

He bfr'd Juggs which is a victory according to forum rules.

Sentry cant stomp the WW Hulk no way no how. Strange is a sorcerer so he definitely could but Sentry couldnt even beat a WW Hulk who wasnt even at his angriest. If he fought the one at the end of the book he would have been decimated imo.

i see the sentry fight much different then u..all i can say is re-read it and notice how the sentry acts and what he says during it is...im not sayin he would win every time against the hulk but with him having seemingly unlimited power i would see him taking more wins then the hulk

Originally posted by bbrem123
i see the sentry fight much different then u..all i can say is re-read it and notice how the sentry acts and what he says during it is...im not sayin he would win every time against the hulk but with him having seemingly unlimited power i would see him taking more wins then the hulk

the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless

Originally posted by bbrem123
the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless

yes it has been stated...in any power description of the sentry

false...he was trying to get control of himself...like i said go and re-read it...hulk pretty much say it...and thats y sentry thanks the hulk at the end of the fight

he reverted back because he gain control

Originally posted by bbrem123
yes it has been stated...in any power description of the sentry

false...he was trying to get control of himself...like i said go and re-read it...hulk pretty much say it...and thats y sentry thanks the hulk at the end of the fight

he reverted back because he gain control

Originally posted by quanchi112
If he fought the one at the end of the book he would have been decimated imo.

u have no evidence to back up anything u r saying...i have multiple power descriptions and even characters stating the kind of power he posseses