thoughts on sentry vs wwh

Started by quanchi11211 pages

Originally posted by bbrem123
u have no evidence to back up anything u r saying...i have multiple power descriptions and even characters stating the kind of power he posseses
You have zero evidence. I have never even heard anything like Sentry just shut himself down. You have nothing to suggest this or anything else to suggest his power is near limitless. Sorry but Hulk has been shown to be able to handle Sentry going all out. Hulk won.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
IMO Worldbreaker Hulk is a completely useless form who would only be good for BFRing himself in a fight with Sentry.
Huh? Could you imagine how hard his fist would hurt you if his footsteps were destroying the eastern seaboard.

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29

just read it

y would marvel lie??

Originally posted by bbrem123
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sentry_%28Robert_Reynolds%29

just read it

Superstrength,etc. What exactly was supposed to impress me about this marvel bio?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok, it's clear that some people are missing a concept. Having a rediculous healing factor, is not durability. Bleeding from Wolverine or punches from Iron Man, isn't durability.

Hulk had a rediculous healing factor during WWH. NOT DURABILITY. Major difference. Durability, would mean he doesn't feel blows or they do little to no damage. A great healing factor, means it just heals over and he keeps going.

Sentry has 1-3 speed feats. Which is good, but only one of them is maybe lightspeed, and since Iron Man was with him during the Collective episode (when said feat occured), lightspeed is dubious.

BUT! He does have a few legitimate speed feats, enough to catch bullets or whup Iron Man. Hence, he should have been able to blitz Hulk. And here is where the shitty writing clause comes in. Greg Pak is an idiot. That's generally accepted on this forum. And let's be frank, there were several questionable victories and alot of things didn't make any sense.

Skrull-Bolt, assuming he's been around the last 10 years, is still way above what Hulk should be able to beat. This one can be excused abit, since the real Blackagar would have won, like he did the last 3 times they fought.

Reed Richard's prep: Atrocious. This is Mr. Fantastic. I can name 10-20 things he could have done to try and stop Hulk. Instead, they try to outgun him and use a fake Sentry light. And this is a device that Reed was unsure would even work in the first place. ❌ On this forum, Hulk would never beat Reed with prep.

Iron Man: Not shit writing. This one is a legit victory. Tony lost because 'someone' took out the SPIN tech nanos. 😉 It's a credit to Hulk that he wrecked the Hulkbuster.

X-men: It's a victory. But.......it doesn't mean much. 😬 That was a pretty shitty lineup of X-men. And the TP part was very very weird. Especially that Frost and her girls were able to stop Xavier's TP.

Juggernaut: He didn't win. Good stalemate, but even Hulk knew he'd never beat a full power Juggs in a straight fight.

*Edit: whoops. Forgot Ghost Rider. He was holding back, but when the spirit took over, even Hulk was worried. This one is good writing, because GR let him go because he was innocent. But don't mistake that for him being able to beat GR.

Mighty Avengers: Props for it, but it was pretty much just brawling, and he had help. This also isn't exactly the most steller line-up.

Dr. Strange: This is half Strange being depowered, and half outright garbage. Busting Strange's hands on the Astral plane? Beating a piece of Zom? Strange being unable to cast spells to heal his hands, or even to cast spells without them, which he has done? Pak should be shot for this one. 👇

Sentry: I don't buy any of Sentry's hype. And regardless of the shitty writing, for his supposed power level, he should have done better. The fact that he was beaten the way he was, is a disgrace to Superman clones.

I completely agree with this post 👆

And I've been harping on about the durability thing for a while now. When WWH is knocked over by the New X-Men, cut and pierced, staggered by Strong Guy, bled by pretty much everybody it's clear his durability wasn't that high.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest

Pak should be shot for this one. 👇

😂

The Sentry's abilities derive from an experimental serum that creates a phase-shift in his molecules, causing each atom to step an instant ahead of the current time line. The serum induces a photosynthetic reaction, resulting in a hyper state of consciousness. Though most of his powers and their limits are still unknown, examples he has demonstrated so far are super-strength, super-speed, invulnerability, and flight.

The Sentry can also project energy fields, control light, and has vast psychic and mental forces mainly used for holding his physical powers together, though it is not yet known whether the Sentry can use them the way Professor X and other psychics use theirs; the only psychic abilities he had displayed so far is implanting his memories inside Paul Jenkins' mind and calming the fury of the Hulk.

It may be theorized that the Sentry also has the ability to produce hard-light constructs similar to those of Dazzler's when it was revealed that the Void is a just an expression of his repressed persona, and thus his creation. With the people dubbing The Sentry as the world's most powerful superhero, and with the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's. In effect, the Sentry's powers are seemingly limitless.

if u read the end u will see

Originally posted by The Pict
And I've been harping on about the durability thing for a while now. When WWH is knocked over by the New X-Men, cut and pierced, staggered by Strong Guy, bled by pretty much everybody it's clear his durability wasn't that high.
A lot of the damage the New X-Men managed to dish out was initiated when Elixir overloaded his healing factor. Strong Guy also gave back World War Hulk the full kinetic force that he absorbed from World War Hulk's own punch. But yeah, calm World War Hulk was only more durable than usual at that point. Wolverine was just about able to scratch him, I think. Just remember, that was a calm World War Hulk. He wasn't as angry as he was later on. And as was suggested in 'World War Hulk,' his durability goes up the angrier he gets. All relative.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Huh? Could you imagine how hard his fist would hurt you if his footsteps were destroying the eastern seaboard.
Yeah, but thing is, he is too strong with no control over his strength. We know Sentry can survive in space and move in it under his own power. WWH cannot. WWH would destroy the planet if he actually tried to use his strength against Sentry, and would float adrift in space. He would BFR himself.

IGN Comics: We have a few questions regarding the finish of the Hulk/Sentry fight. Our first question is whether you had always intended the last battle to be between these two. Did you ever consider Thor or perhaps even a foe of the Hulk's? What made Sentry the clear choice for you?

Pak: In an early draft of the outline, i had that final battle between Strange and the Hulk, since the two have such a long history together. But as we hammered through multiple drafts of the treatment, the Sentry just made sense. He and the Hulk have a history of their own -- but even more importantly, the Sentry and the Hulk share similar conflicts with their alter egos and face the same danger of losing control. And that gave us something interesting on an emotional level to play with during that fight. The Sentry actually had something to learn from the Hulk. And by teaching that lesson, the Hulk himself was able to come to a realization of his own and find a new equilibrium -- for one brief, shining moment, anyway.

just like i said hulk help sentry get control...thats y the fight was not as legitimate as people make it out to be...it was a fight for control not a battle of who was stronger

Originally posted by bbrem123
IGN Comics: We have a few questions regarding the finish of the Hulk/Sentry fight. Our first question is whether you had always intended the last battle to be between these two. Did you ever consider Thor or perhaps even a foe of the Hulk's? What made Sentry the clear choice for you?

Pak: In an early draft of the outline, i had that final battle between Strange and the Hulk, since the two have such a long history together. But as we hammered through multiple drafts of the treatment, the Sentry just made sense. He and the Hulk have a history of their own -- but even more importantly, the Sentry and the Hulk share similar conflicts with their alter egos and face the same danger of losing control. And that gave us something interesting on an emotional level to play with during that fight. The Sentry actually had something to learn from the Hulk. And by teaching that lesson, the Hulk himself was able to come to a realization of his own and find a new equilibrium -- for one brief, shining moment, anyway.

just like i said hulk help sentry get control...thats y the fight was not as legitimate as people make it out to be...it was a fight for control not a battle of who was stronger

Bro you should reread the battle, and come to grips that The Sentry was hitting King Hulk with his best and most powerful shots. What makes you believe that this story was inconclusive?

The fight was over it went it's 12 rounds, and the Hulk beat Sentry, as he was the last man standing.

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
Bro you should reread the battle, and come to grips that The Sentry was hitting King Hulk with his best and most powerful shots. What makes you believe that this story was inconclusive?

The fight was over it went it's 12 rounds, and the Hulk beat Sentry, as he was the last man standing.

Pak said it and it in panel...ur the one not reading

im pretty sure he know better then u...lolz at u

his best and most powerful where does it say that...i have all this evidence u have nothing

Originally posted by bbrem123
The Sentry's abilities derive from an experimental serum that creates a phase-shift in his molecules, causing each atom to step an instant ahead of the current time line. The serum induces a photosynthetic reaction, resulting in a hyper state of consciousness. Though most of his powers and their limits are still unknown, examples he has demonstrated so far are super-strength, super-speed, invulnerability, and flight.

The Sentry can also project energy fields, control light, and has vast psychic and mental forces mainly used for holding his physical powers together, though it is not yet known whether the Sentry can use them the way Professor X and other psychics use theirs; the only psychic abilities he had displayed so far is implanting his memories inside Paul Jenkins' mind and calming the fury of the Hulk.

It may be theorized that the Sentry also has the ability to produce hard-light constructs similar to those of Dazzler's when it was revealed that the Void is a just an expression of his repressed persona, and thus his creation. With the people dubbing The Sentry as the world's most powerful superhero, and with the serum causing a photosynthetic reaction to his body, completely altering his state of consciousness, it is nonetheless conceivable that Sentry's powers are limitless, and may even rival those of the Silver Surfer's and Phoenix's. In effect, the Sentry's powers are seemingly limitless.

if u read the end u will see

I dont agree with this theory of yours at all. At no point in time were his powers ever described as limitless. No way no how. We just saw him get tapped out and fail to knock out WW Hulk. He took everything Sentry threw his way like nothing.

The Hulks powers are limitless and this is proven by his powers growing exponentially by his anger. He is only limited by his anger.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Pak said it and it in panel...ur the one not reading

im pretty sure he know better then u...lolz at u

his best and most powerful where does it say that...i have all this evidence u have nothing

Its in the comic and was stated plain as day that Sentry used more power than he ever had previously. He lost control and the Hulk still took him down in a clam state. Proof is in the book while you really dont have any proof at all. You sent me a link saying his powers included super strength,etc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Hulks powers are limitless and this is proven by his powers growing exponentially by his anger. He is only limited by his anger.
Then his strength has a limit if his anger limits it. 🙂

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Then his strength has a limit if his anger limits it. 🙂
I already said that. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already said that. 🙂
Which means he doesn't have limitless strength. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont agree with this theory of yours at all. At no point in time were his powers ever described as limitless. No way no how. We just saw him get tapped out and fail to knock out WW Hulk. He took everything Sentry threw his way like nothing.

The Hulks powers are limitless and this is proven by his powers growing exponentially by his anger. He is only limited by his anger.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Which means he doesn't have limitless strength. 🙂
Read it and quit trolling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont agree with this theory of yours at all. At no point in time were his powers ever described as limitless. No way no how. We just saw him get tapped out and fail to knock out WW Hulk. He took everything Sentry threw his way like nothing.

The Hulks powers are limitless and this is proven by his powers growing exponentially by his anger. He is only limited by his anger.

haha it not a theory of mine its fact...ive showed u links

Originally posted by bbrem123
haha it not a theory of mine its fact...ive showed u links
Nothing on the links said limitless power. This isnt the power gem its sentry the guy who burned himself out against WW Hulk.