Lucifer Morningstar vs. The Source

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Your so ****ing dumb,even a fodder new god in their real form can hold a universe in their hand,darkseid had hundreds of thousands of new gods souls powers and they were all amped 10x over and then used the sources power show me ig being that powerful o wait you cant,the ig can take out half a universe in a snap what did the source do?create a inf universe that makes the entire dc multiverse look like a drop of water in the ocean and the entire new gods race,your freaking dumb im not responding to you anymore and your going on ignore,troll away at someone else.

Please point out what the Source or Darkseid actuaally did that so impressed you? Quit with the hyperbole please and tell me. Because the way I see it the ig gives you complete mastery over time,space,reality,power,mind, and soul. Explain the Source's power or Darkseid's at the time of this battle please.

Again you claim the new gods can hold universes in their hands and still lose to Superman. Doomsday came to apokolips and beat down Darkseid so does that mean he can destroy universes as well? I am trying to follow your logic here but I cant seem to do so.

Again in genesis the entire power of the godwave was less than infinite. Not impressive at all imo.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

what did the source do?

create a inf universe that makes the entire dc multiverse

look like a drop of water in the ocean

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again I am giving my opinion so please cease and desist with the insults please.

Please point out what the Source or Darkseid actuaally did that so impressed you? Quit with the hyperbole please and tell me. Because the way I see it the ig gives you complete mastery over time,space,reality,power,mind, and soul. Explain the Source's power or Darkseid's at the time of this battle please.

Again you claim the new gods can hold universes in their hands and still lose to Superman. Doomsday came to apokolips and beat down Darkseid so does that mean he can destroy universes as well? I am trying to follow your logic here but I cant seem to do so.

Again in genesis the entire power of the godwave was less than infinite. Not impressive at all imo.

Has Superman ever beaten a New God in thier true form?

Originally posted by Mr Master
This sounds like classic Beyonder,
you sure you're not confusing the two?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Has Superman ever beaten a New God in thier true form?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think he is confusing the two. I read dong and there was nowhere near the level of power being thrown around like he describes imo.

All one has to do is read the HISTORY of the New Gods. You can't just Read DOTNG and take it all at face value. You have to look at the Godwave, The Source before it's merger, The ALE being and how powerful it is, All the different aspects of the ALE, How Even Mxy gives the ALE credit as being himself plus Batmite etc. You also have to look at how big the 4th world is compared to any single DCU.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes.

Now you are flat out not telling the truth.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Well, considering the power Darkseid was tapping, it's not really dissapointing.

I also got a 'Emperor Palpatine' vibe from all of that.

true about palpatine, i guess, but the power he was tapping was basically the source's power. and the whole 'each soul increases the power exponentially' was REALLY a stretch in my mind and in general failed miserably for me as a plot point. 😬

the source was hindered ( and i realize it was incomplete) by an awful lot of things (explained away in a muddled, hard-to-believe rush in typical starlin fashion) and what was worse to me was the fact that it was forced to divide (injured, really) by the combined powers of 3 skyfathers.

perhaps they are more powerful than their marvel personas, but even still, that was enormously disappointing to me. dotng greatly lessened the power of the source in my eyes and pretty much wrecked the enigma of the source. i'd say 'king kirby' would be less than pleased with how the whole thing worked out.

it's official in my eyes: starlin sucks. which is unfortunate because there was a time when he was the undisputed man . . . 🙁

Originally posted by fangirl101
All one has to do is read the HISTORY of the New Gods. You can't just Read DOTNG and take it all at face value. You have to look at the Godwave, The Source before it's merger, The ALE being and how powerful it is, All the different aspects of the ALE, How Even Mxy gives the ALE credit as being himself plus Batmite etc. You also have to look at how big the 4th world is compared to any single DCU.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Now you are flat out not telling the truth.

Originally posted by leonidas
true about palpatine, i guess, but the power he was tapping was basically the source's power. and the whole 'each soul increases the power exponentially' was REALLY a stretch in my mind and in general failed miserably for me as a plot point. 😬

the source was hindered ( and i realize it was incomplete) by an awful lot of things (explained away in a muddled, hard-to-believe rush in typical starlin fashion) and what was worse to me was the fact that it was forced to divide (injured, really) by the combined powers of 3 skyfathers.

perhaps they are more powerful than their marvel personas, but even still, that was enormously disappointing to me. dotng greatly lessened the power of the source in my eyes and pretty much wrecked the enigma of the source. i'd say 'king kirby' would be less than pleased with how the whole thing worked out.

it's official in my eyes: starlin sucks. which is unfortunate because there was a time when he was the undisputed man . . . 🙁

Originally posted by quanchi112
I read dong. I liked the story but the Source was nowhere near as impressive as to what I thought he was capable of. He needed Orion to help him defeat Darkseid and he needed Superman to distract him to even summon him.
These are fifth world new gods. Not fourth world huge difference friend.

Has Superman ever defeated a 4th World New God in thier True Gigantic Form?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Starlin said that many people would be disappointed with his source. He was upset because His ALE was retconned out. So he came up with an ugly story to make it fit. If it's any consolation, His source being is just one aspect of the true source, which is also depicted in Vertigo.

The rest of your post is speculation.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Starlin said that many people would be disappointed with his source. He was upset because His ALE was retconned out. So he came up with an ugly story to make it fit. If it's any consolation, His source being is just one aspect of the true source, which is also depicted in Vertigo.

hm, that is interesting. when it merged, i'd thought that was the entirety of the source. do you have some proof that there is another aspect, or are you supposing there must be another aspect?

Originally posted by fangirl101
Has Superman ever defeated a 4th World New God in thier True Gigantic Form?

Originally posted by Mr Master
"hundreds of thousands CC levels beings" ...

Sounds interesting ... where is this stated, and/or depicted?

"a universe that can fit the dc multiverse in it several trillion times"

Sound's interesting ... where is this stated, and/or depicted?

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4 Gems (Power/Mind/Soul/Space) created countless UniverseS back to back
while simultaneously stacking them on top of one another.

These same 4 Gems were about to collapse the Omniverse.

2 Gems (Reality/Time) nullified all those UniverseS in one move,
then proceeded to created a single Universe to replace them that saved the Omniverse.

Now, imagine what the 6 Gems combined are capable of. 🙂

This can't be proven good friend.

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg
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and about the universe he created the 4th world as well which as you can see here each of these planets is the size of earthhttp://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/NewGods2.jpg
for entire planets to be that small compared to simply a person in the 4th world not even imaging how small those planets are compared to an actual planet in the 4th world the number is staggering not to mention if they are even considering like dc does alot that each earth shown actually=a inf universe,and the thing to keep in mind was his was in a very diminished state of power when he did this,if we go by 2 halves he is 2x stronger when he merged but if we use the godly bonding like he used on the new gods he would have been 10x stronger.....as you can see the source is no pushover and im tired of quans shit talking/stupidity.

Originally posted by leonidas
hm, that is interesting. when it merged, i'd thought that was the entirety of the source. do you have some proof that there is another aspect, or are you supposing there must be another aspect?

Well, The Spectre had different Aspects. So does Mike the arc angel. I'm assuming that all of the higher up beings who are directly connected to God are have multi-aspects. Even the ALE itself had Multi-versions of itself. And of course, Starlins story will once again, be retconned. They always are.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Idk about cube beings but he created hundreds of thousands of beings who can create and crush whole universes in his hands(kinda like what kubik was going to do as seen in this scan).

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg
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and about the universe he created the 4th world as well which as you can see here each of these planets is the size of earthhttp://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/NewGods2.jpg
for entire planets to be that small compared to simply a person in the 4th world not even imaging how small those planets are compared to an actual planet in the 4th world the number is staggering not to mention if they are even considering like dc does alot that each earth shown actually=a inf universe,and the thing to keep in mind was his was in a very diminished state of power when he did this,if we go by 2 halves he is 2x stronger when he merged but if we use the godly bonding like he used on the new gods he would have been 10x stronger.....as you can see the source is no pushover and im tired of quans shit talking/stupidity.

Again in dong where are the incredible feats because it seems to me you are just making thing sup with no definitive proof as to support your theories.

When new gods come to earth they boomtube to our size. When characters boomtube there they are new god size. Supergirl got their with magic and they werent the size of planets just bigger. Doomsday also just went there and dominated all of Apokolips and he wasnt boomtubed there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one said the Source was a pushover friend. But Seid easily tapped into his power and rendered him impotent.

Again in dong where are the incredible feats because it seems to me you are just making thing sup with no definitive proof as to support your theories.

When new gods come to earth they boomtube to our size. When characters boomtube there they are new god size. Supergirl got their with magic and they werent the size of planets just bigger. Doomsday also just went there and dominated all of Apokolips and he wasnt boomtubed there.

Doomsday adapts.
As for Seid tapping into the sources power, that isn't a strike against the Source. You are acting as if DS is some dumb being. He's one of the smartest beings ever. He calculated and made moves for like two years. He'd been knowing the DOTNG was coming and had been prepping for it. Ug. You down play DC so much.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

Idk about cube beings but he created hundreds of thousands of beings who can create and crush whole universes in his hands(kinda like what kubik was going to do, as seen in this scan bellow).

http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/newgod.jpg

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

and about the universe he created the 4th world as well which as you can see here each of these planets is the size of earthhttp://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/NewGods2.jpg
for entire planets to be that small compared to simply a person in the 4th world not even imaging how small those planets are compared to an actual planet in the 4th world the number is staggering not to mention if they are even considering like dc does alot that each earth shown actually=a inf universe,and the thing to keep in mind was his was in a very diminished state of power when he did this,if we go by 2 halves he is 2x stronger when he merged but if we use the godly bonding like he used on the new gods he would have been 10x stronger.....

There's an infinite amount of Galaxies in each Universe,
and in comparison with each Galaxy, a planet is a marble just like in that scan.

As I'm sure you're realizing,
this doesn't mean each Universe is any bigger than a normal Universe.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345

as you can see the source is no pushover
and im tired of quans shit talking/stupidity.

But there really is no need for any of us to insult each other so aggresively,
you can use wit, or some cool sarcasm to get your frustration across,
without it looking dis-pleasing. 🙂

Whether quan is right or wrong, reasonalbe or intransigent,
he doesn't insult, which is why regardless of his opinion (supported or un-supported)
I'm never offended by his posts.

Now certified trolls are another matter,
they post with spite, or just jump into threads to oppose whatever you post,
no matter how right you are, this is irritating,
but I've since learned, the best defense against this is placing them in your ignore list.

I had a troll following me around for a couple of years, literally,
nowadays,
he doesn't exist anymore,
cause his posts always contain an empty space on my screen, (on ignore)
and it's wonderful.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Beautiful, impressive, they are definitely at-least Cube being level. 👆

Hmm ... that's also impressive,
but I wouldn't tag the number you threw on it based on that scan.
"the trillions of times bigger part" I'm talking about.

There's an infinite amount of Galaxies in each Universe,
and in comparison with each Galaxy, a planet is a marble just like in that scan.

As I'm sure you're realizing,
this doesn't mean each Universe is any bigger than a normal Universe.