Superman vs Odin (with stipulations)

Started by quanchi1129 pages

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
You really need to read the opening post,odin is not allowed to destroy the sun,superman for this thread has no weakness to k-nite magic or red sun...odin can only go with raw power and sunamped supes from OWAW overcame much more power than odin has,entropy is imperiex braniac was using imperiexes energy braniacs energy=entropy its simple math no matter what you your mother onedumbgo or even a mod wants to say.
Ok I have seen Odin throw around more power than this imo. I didnt see anything noted as entropy. Thats your interpretation but it isnt mine as it was never clearly stated. So quit passing your opinion off as factual please.

Supes cant really hurt Odin imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok I have seen Odin throw around more power than this imo. I didnt see anything noted as entropy. Thats your interpretation but it isnt mine as it was never clearly stated. So quit passing your opinion off as factual please.

Supes cant really hurt Odin imo.


Hurt a entropy powered braniac,moved a entropy powered up ftl engines against their will,survived a entropy amped braniacs attacks,odin isnt allowed to bfr matter manip or use any of supermans weaknesses against him.....hes essentialy forced to brawl him in the middle of the sun a place where supes cannot lose against someone of odins level.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Hurt a entropy powered braniac,moved a entropy powered up ftl engines against their will,survived a entropy amped braniacs attacks,odin isnt allowed to bfr matter manip or use any of supermans weaknesses against him.....hes essentialy forced to brawl him in the middle of the sun a place where supes cannot lose against someone of odins level.
Odin can blast pull out gungir,etc. Heck he could even absorb him for the win as he did against Surtur.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and it doesnt have to be said that he was getting blasted with entropy because entropy is what braniac was being powered by....its common sense.

Not really, being powered by such and such energies does not necessary allow you control/manipulation of that same energies..
Take Superman for ex. Solar powered and i've yet to see him blasting pure solar energy..

As for the topic..
Odin is not limited to just physical brawl, and if thread starter allow the use of magical artifact in position of Odin, he takes it for majority perhaps a 10/10..

Originally posted by Ambient

As for the topic..
Odin is not limited to just physical brawl, and if thread starter allow the use of magical artifact in position of Odin, he takes it for majority perhaps a 10/10..


Odin can use any means necessary,
with the exception of restructuring (matter manipulation) Supes person,
and blowing up the Sun,
but Odin can re-arrange anything other than Supes,
and use any and all abilities at his disposal.

So then he could do this..

http://img42.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=68918_Thor_v2_013_16_122_85lo.jpg

Taking out his life force, I dont see Supes having any defense against that.. gotta go..

Originally posted by Ambient
Not really, being powered by such and such energies does not necessary allow you control/manipulation of that same energies..
Take Superman for ex. Solar powered and i've yet to see him blasting pure solar energy..

As for the topic..
Odin is not limited to just physical brawl, and if thread starter allow the use of magical artifact in position of Odin, he takes it for majority perhaps a 10/10..


......what do you think heat vision is and lemme know when odin started taking someone lifeforce against their will in a fight against an opponent at his level.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
No odin cant wade through on onslaught and not defend himself against superman in the sun,teleporting away to do...what?he cant destroy the sun,taking away all weaknesses that gave odin an advantage has sealed his fate there is litterally nothing he can do to superman after a awhile and supes will just keep getting stronger and stronger.

Not exactly...

Odin has vast matter and energy manipulation abilities, as well as his magic. He can't utilize Supes weakness to red sunlight, kryptonite, or magic in this battle, or destroy the sun outright per the stipulation. However, those are not the only options available to him. Per forum rules both characters have the publically known knowledge of eachother:

Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.

Supes just so happened to provide an interview to a newspaper detailing how his powers work (the effects of yellow sunlight on his Kryptonian physiology) and what his weakness is. Odin will know that Supes is solar powered just as everyone else does. Odin can alter the frequency of the solar power Supes is absorbing, or easier still, simply place a spell on Supes that blocks him from absorbing more sunlight, then the battle ensues until one or the other's reserves are depleted since Supes will be cut off from his power supply. That method of attack is allowed given the stipulations of the match and also perfectly viable:

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

Supes is not punching Odin out in the first picoseconds of the fight, and Odin has far too many options at his disposal to lose to Supes, even in this scenario. It's simply a matter of not assuming this battle is a status quo slugfest, which seems to happen far to often amongst members here. There's no reason whatsoever for Odin to allow that to happen, Odin being a master combat strategist. This is not a plot driven comic battle. Per forum rules both combatants use all of their abilities to their fullest extent, meaning that Supes, though initially faster, likely does not have what it takes to put Odin down considering the vast array of abilities Odin can bring to bear, the fact that even though Supes will likely land the first few blows it is not likely that Odin will be incapacitated and unable to teleport himself away to regroup, stop or slow time, or simply raise a shield, then enhance himself via numerous enchantments.

From that point forward it's Odin's match.

If you assume Supes can knock Odin unconscious before he can erect a forcefield, stop time, or simply teleport himself elsewhere (or all 3), more power to you.

I, however, disagree.

Re: Superman vs Odin (with stipulations)

Originally posted by Mr Master
Take away Superman's known weaknesses (Magic/red-R/Kryptonite)
place both of them on the Sun, or in the Sun (you choose)
the Sun can not be destroyed (that way his source is not cut off)
and no bfr, no matter manipulation on Supes person.

vs Odin ...

Who wins?

Wow dude.

Did you start to hate Odin or something?

😛

Re: Re: Superman vs Odin (with stipulations)

Originally posted by Avlon
Wow dude.

Did you start to hate Odin or something?

😛

Sup Av. I was wondering when you'd show up. 😆

Re: Re: Re: Superman vs Odin (with stipulations)

Originally posted by illadelph12
Sup Av. I was wondering when you'd show up. 😆

<---*Special uninvited Guest*

Come on Ill.... we both know even Odin would KNEEL!

If Odin went in head on and tried to trade punches with Clark I have no doubt the son of my jailor would take Odin out.

If Odin uses all of his abilities and fights intelligently things get interesting.

As you know I'm more into strategy than slobberknockers. 😉

Originally posted by illadelph12
If Odin went in head on and tried to trade punches with Clark I have no doubt the son of my jailor would take Odin out.

If Odin uses all of his abilities and fights intelligently things get interesting.

As you know I'm more into strategy than slobberknockers. 😉

I know. It's always good to see a true debater in here. 🙂

Still removing all of Supermans weaknesses when he's already shown resistance to skyfather level characters as is, and then powering up on top of that is just...overkill.

Odin wrecks.

I don't really know the extent to which Odin can use matter manipulation, but if he were to manipulate the sun into something else would that count as "destroying" the sun? Is he even capable of m-m on that scale?

I was wondering when someone was going to mention the time stop, seeing as Odin is the one that put the time mainp enchantment on Mjolnir( I think it got burnt out when Thor was fighting Immortus)

Originally posted by Silent Master
I was wondering when someone was going to mention the time stop, seeing as Odin is the one that put the time mainp enchantment on Mjolnir( I think it got burnt out when Thor was fighting Immortus)
Aside from inferring Odin's ability to manipulate time from Mjolnir's former enchantments, he also personally halted time itself on Earth before transporting the entire human race off-world:
http://img345.imageshack.us/my.php?image=journeyintomystery104070si.jpg

Immortus tricked Thor into sacrificing Mjolnir's temporal energies by having Thor pour them into a fake world, deceiving him into thinking he was saving the world from destruction.

Originally posted by illadelph12

Not exactly...

Odin has vast matter and energy manipulation abilities, as well as his magic. He can't utilize Supes weakness to red sunlight, kryptonite, or magic in this battle, or destroy the sun outright per the stipulation. However, those are not the only options available to him. Per forum rules both characters have the publically known knowledge of eachother:

Supes just so happened to provide an interview to a newspaper detailing how his powers work (the effects of yellow sunlight on his Kryptonian physiology) and what his weakness is. Odin will know that Supes is solar powered just as everyone else does. Odin can alter the frequency of the solar power Supes is absorbing, or easier still, simply place a spell on Supes that blocks him from absorbing more sunlight, then the battle ensues until one or the other's reserves are depleted since Supes will be cut off from his power supply. That method of attack is allowed given the stipulations of the match and also perfectly viable:

Supes is not punching Odin out in the first picoseconds of the fight, and Odin has far too many options at his disposal to lose to Supes, even in this scenario. It's simply a matter of not assuming this battle is a status quo slugfest, which seems to happen far to often amongst members here. There's no reason whatsoever for Odin to allow that to happen, Odin being a master combat strategist. This is not a plot driven comic battle. Per forum rules both combatants use all of their abilities to their fullest extent, meaning that Supes, though initially faster, likely does not have what it takes to put Odin down considering the vast array of abilities Odin can bring to bear, the fact that even though Supes will likely land the first few blows it is not likely that Odin will be incapacitated and unable to teleport himself away to regroup, stop or slow time, or simply raise a shield, then enhance himself via numerous enchantments.

From that point forward it's Odin's match.

If you assume Supes can knock Odin unconscious before he can erect a forcefield, stop time, or simply teleport himself elsewhere (or all 3), more power to you.

I, however, disagree.


Holy! ... This is looking interesting, Odin is obviously not helpless here,
it was never my intention to make him so,
I knew Odin had many tricks up his sleeve,
which is why I slightly limited his options against a specific opponent like Supes.

This is sound reasoning Ills. 👆

As I've been trying to convey all along, this battle is not as simple as "Speedblitz ftw". Even on the Sun. Odin has far too many cards to play.

Is Superman's reliance on solar energy really common or general knowledge allowable to Odin at the outset? Yes, he published scientific papers in the DCU, but have these scientific papers been disseminated enough on Earth-1 that it's become general knowledge? Most of his teammates and most his enemies know... but I don't think that it's general knowledge as much as his weakness to kryptonite is...