Superman vs Odin (with stipulations)

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I would like to know what evidence you have that would make you think Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with the wave of his hand. As far as I read, the armor was fashioned together from Imperiex drones. Those same Imperiex drones were getting slaughtered by Doomsday.
Um. The Braniac drones only shot him at the end... in a single panel. The source of Braniac's amplified power was Imperiex's energy, but once again, you avoid the simple question, "Do you really think the drone blasts were on the same level exhibited by Imperiex Prime's own personal blast that incinerated Doomsday?" I think the obvious answer is no. Imperiex drones were obviously powered by Imperiex himself and they weren't dissolving the JLA left and right. When they exploded, they didn't even kill armored Wonder Woman. And there is also evidence that the blasts were not even pure entropy blasts: 1) the Amazons were fighting the Braniac tendrils bravely; and 2) Imperiex's energy is constantly depicted as blue, whereas the Braniac drone blasts were actually purple. But again, answer the question.
He didn't just fly through the sun. He sat inside it for a while in a fetal position to build up the power and took some time mentally adjusting to the power increase. And when you have someone who can stop time... well. 'Nuff said.

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good post

Odin win but good fight.

Well let's see...

Extreme options...

Odin traps the sun in a shield and then shields himself. Then he sits around for 5 billion years while Superman whales on the shields to no effect, at which point, the Sun would have entered the red giant stage, at that point Superman would begin to depower, and eventually Odin would have to keep Superman alive.

Less extreme options.

Odin mindrapes Superman instantly. Odin's telepathic feats dwarf anyone who has ever dominated or attempted to dominate Superman.

Odin hits Superman really, really, really hard, with either an energy blast, or an enhanced punch, blowing every atom in his body apart at once.

Odin rips his lifeforce out.

Odin reverses time, such that Superman continually depowers and gets younger (remember that Thor reversed time on the Stranger), eventually Odin takes the new baby Kal-El to Asgard and raises him with a proper warrior ethic.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Weren't most of those weapons either magic based or made by groups with easy access to magic?

possibly, but it is speculation though that he was cut because the weapons were imbued by magic. Odin is hella tough against magic anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sundipped Superman was impressive in this arc but was not invisible and nowhere in that arc did he demonstrate enough power imo to be able to defeat Odin.

So you are saying that the only amount of force that can end Odin is a force that can destroy the universe, no less?

Originally posted by Avlon
People get injured in fights. Superman was injured as well. Go figure.

Amped by the sun, and pissed off. That is the point. Plus Supes has been hit with the beams already and been fine.

Where does it say [b]on panel that DS was weakened? I don't want your theory, nor anyones guesstimation. ON PANEL evidence.

What we do know is that the sun powers up Superman to ridiculous levels. In Apokolips now, it was a far more EVEN fight than the ass whooping DS got later. [/B]

Now to me its common sense knowledge that this hurt Ds. If you claim it didnt hurt him then I can question every blow in comics and energy blast unless its stated on panel that something damage someone. Otherwise you can challenge basically anything in a fight. Clearly his omega beams injured him when they blasted him in the face just as a punch hurts when you hit someone in the face with one. 🙂

Again Supes has avoided the effect as well before. He needed help to avoid two blasts in this particular fight. You cant use another fight to justify what happened in this one. Supes needed help and a sunamp to put Ds down. Bottom line. 😛

Again your logic is flawed and I could basically question every blow to any character that failed to put that character down and say prove it hurt him. Horrible logic friend.

Apokolips now is a great example because Superman beat him on his own and didnt need anyone elses aid or any sunamps.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you are saying that the only amount of force that can end Odin is a force that can destroy the universe, no less?

Oh and as for this fight. Time stop. Even with all these handicaps Odin still wins easily. 🙂

Superman wins this, though not that easy still not an real chalange.

Odin still one shotted Silver Surfer.. Even with these limitations Odin should still win, although with much effort.

This specific Superman is not exactly a lightweight, but I can't believe how underrated Odin is nowadays. Yes, Superman has done well against skyfather level character on occasion in the past, but Odin is THE Skyfather.

I think the scan with both Thanos and Silver Surfer taking free, unguarded shots at Odin should speak volumes. How did he react? He simply stood there and allowed it to happen.

This thread is already full of theoretical ways Odin would defeat Superman, but it seems that the only way to sum it up is: however he decides. It's not in Odin's character to simply kill from the get-go, but IMO when Odin sees that Superman could be a true threat if left completely unchecked, he will end it then and there.

odin wins

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I would like to know what evidence you have that would make you think Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with the wave of his hand. As far as I read, the armor was fashioned together from Imperiex drones. Those same Imperiex drones were getting slaughtered by Doomsday.
Um. The Braniac drones only shot him at the end... in a single panel. The source of Braniac's amplified power was Imperiex's energy, but once again, you avoid the simple question, "Do you really think the drone blasts were on the same level exhibited by Imperiex Prime's own personal blast that incinerated Doomsday?" I think the obvious answer is no. Imperiex drones were obviously powered by Imperiex himself and they weren't dissolving the JLA left and right. When they exploded, they didn't even kill armored Wonder Woman. And there is also evidence that the blasts were not even pure entropy blasts: 1) the Amazons were fighting the Braniac tendrils bravely; and 2) Imperiex's energy is constantly depicted as blue, whereas the Braniac drone blasts were actually purple. But again, answer the question.
He didn't just fly through the sun. He sat inside it for a while in a fetal position to build up the power and took some time mentally adjusting to the power increase. And when you have someone who can stop time... well. 'Nuff said.

Yeah that kills it for me Odin FTW.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I would like to know what evidence you have that would make you think Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with the wave of his hand. As far as I read, the armor was fashioned together from Imperiex drones. Those same Imperiex drones were getting slaughtered by Doomsday.

Apokolips now. That very same armor turned DD to slag with ease...and it's not just simply an armor fashioned together from drones... at least not as DS designed it.

Especially since as per your point, drones were getting slaughtered by DD and yet the AE took him out with such ease.

Superman was shown to be above this in OWAW.

If as certain posters like to do we go by the writers explanation or intent... then Supes was unstoppable. 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Um. The Braniac drones only shot him at the end... in a single panel. The source of Braniac's amplified power was Imperiex's energy, but once again, you avoid the simple question, "Do you really think the drone blasts were on the same level exhibited by Imperiex Prime's own personal blast that incinerated Doomsday?" I think the obvious answer is no. Imperiex drones were obviously powered by Imperiex himself and they weren't dissolving the JLA left and right. When they exploded, they didn't even kill armored Wonder Woman. And there is also evidence that the blasts were not even pure entropy blasts: 1) the Amazons were fighting the Braniac tendrils bravely; and 2) Imperiex's energy is constantly depicted as blue, whereas the Braniac drone blasts were actually purple. But again, answer the question.

Read my last response again. How can you quantify the strength of the energy used by Surfers and Thanos blasts vs Odin? The double standards employed in this place are ridiculous.

All the blasts come from powerful sources. Were the drones as powerful as a single imperiex blast? No...but the fact that they were constant and cummulative and Supes wasn't defending against them is just as good.

As for Braniacs use with the imperiex energy. He was shown as taking over the universe with it had Superman not stopped him. Before his sundip, Braniacs tendrils cut Supes with little effort.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He didn't just fly through the sun. He sat inside it for a while in a fetal position to build up the power and took some time mentally adjusting to the power increase. And when you have someone who can stop time... well. 'Nuff said.

He flew through the heart of the sun. In this fight, he will be on or in the sun while battling...

As for time stop...how often has Odin used it? Superman has probably used T-vo more often (which would negate it anyway.)

Originally posted by quanchi112
People do get injured in fights. But here is the difference and please pay attention here. The reason Darkseid was injured was because of WW's interference. Not because of something Superman did in this instance. You are twisting what happened. Heres the scan. Here you see a helpless Superman on the ground and saved by WW's bracelets thus proving he needed help to win this fight and a sunamp.

I've read the book. DS was annoyed and then Supes and DS continued to fight. Sunamped and pissed, Supes started beating on DS even cracking his skin and them moving so fast he creates a boomtube.

it's not like Superman started the fight in top form either considering DS was hiding behind a door.. and what superman had been through earlier...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Now to me its common sense knowledge that this hurt Ds. If you claim it didnt hurt him then I can question every blow in comics and energy blast unless its stated on panel that something damage someone. Otherwise you can challenge basically anything in a fight. Clearly his omega beams injured him when they blasted him in the face just as a punch hurts when you hit someone in the face with one. 🙂

People question things all the time. I don't want your idea of "common sense" I want an on panel statement that DS was weakened as I asked for earlier. Please read things before you post. Your opinion is not what I asked for.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again Supes has avoided the effect as well before. He needed help to avoid two blasts in this particular fight. You cant use another fight to justify what happened in this one. Supes needed help and a sunamp to put Ds down. Bottom line. 😛

There are times he avoided it, and times he's taken it and kept on fighting. Adding a sunamp makes things easier for him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again your logic is flawed and I could basically question every blow to any character that failed to put that character down and say prove it hurt him. Horrible logic friend.

This is just ironic coming from you. The king of illogical posts on KMC. Take another veiled crack at me and I'll report you faster than you can finish reading this sentence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Apokolips now is a great example because Superman beat him on his own and didnt need anyone elses aid or any sunamps.

Agreed. He had a lot more trouble in Apokolips now since there was no sunamp though....which goes right back to where we started...

Originally posted by Avlon

Read my last response again. How can you quantify the strength of the energy used by Surfers and Thanos blasts vs Odin? The double standards employed in this place are ridiculous.

My God you have got to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this forum. Hank Henshaw was revived on a panel by a manhunter and somehow you managed not see it that way (Yes im still going on about it). You also have a habit of reading too much into feats.

You are basically a terrible debator and you need to get a grip.

crylaugh

Alfheim calling Avlon a terrible debator.

Odin 4 d win. Evn with th restriction, he still has way too many options to take supes out while all supes can do is ko him with punches. Odin timemanipulating, changing the sun into something else,using mental attacks,casting speels to incapacitate supes should get him the win

All this time manipulation stuff, I'm starting to wonder if people are honest here. What's to stop giving Superman his ridiculous torquasm vo? As Odin ever actually used time manip in a fight?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
My God you have got to be one of the biggest hypocrites on this forum. Hank Henshaw was revived on a panel by a manhunter and somehow you managed not see it that way (Yes im still going on about it). You also have a habit of reading too much into feats.

You are basically a terrible debator and you need to get a grip.

LOL @ the irony of this.

You need a kleenex to wipe away your tears?

I suggest you keep your ridiculous trolling to a minimum.

Originally posted by Avlon
LOL @ the irony of this.

You need a kleenex to wipe away your tears?

I suggest you keep your ridiculous trolling to a minimum.

Ermm in not upset im just being frank, but that Battlehammer is really irritating me. 😬