Superman vs Odin (with stipulations) · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

illadelph12 aka Rakim Illa

I believe Lois published that Supes was a Kryptonian and that his abilities stem from the effects of sunlight on his alien physiology way back before they became romantically involved. On DC Earth Supes is the #1 international celebrity and world icon; I'm pretty sure a wide swath of people in the developed nations of DC Earth read that Daily Planet article or a translation thereof.

Unless, of course, the meaning of the rule is that every inhabitant of a characters homeworld must know the details, in which case no character would have knowledge of an opponent since most comic Earths have indigenous peoples who don't have access to mass media.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is the infamous speed-blitz (sun-glazed) more effective than this?

Surfer & Thanos simultaneous furious attack,
clearly they're exerting crazy power,
Odin isn't even flinching, and KO's SS one-shot style.
Just asking fellas.

Energy durability has nothing to do with physical blunt durability. Odin was cut by swords and weapons before.

h1a8 Senior Member

Superman is too fast for Odin here. He kills Odin in one punch (if Supes bloodlusted).

Soljer Beware my Power

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is too fast for Odin here. He kills Odin in one punch (if Supes bloodlusted).

Was it necessary to double post (within the edit-time, even) to say something so moronic?

Silent Master Senior Member

Originally posted by h1a8
Energy durability has nothing to do with physical blunt durability. Odin was cut by swords and weapons before.

Weren't most of those weapons either magic based or made by groups with easy access to magic?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Avlon
I know. It's always good to see a true debater in here. 🙂
Still removing all of Supermans weaknesses when he's already shown resistance to skyfather level characters as is, and then powering up on top of that is just...overkill.

Which skyfather level characters has he resisted?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is too fast for Odin here. He kills Odin in one punch (if Supes bloodlusted).

Odin has never been killed by one punch let alone beaten with one punch.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is the infamous speed-blitz (sun-glazed) more effective than this?

Surfer & Thanos simultaneous furious attack,
clearly they're exerting crazy power,
Odin isn't even flinching, and KO's SS one-shot style.
Just asking fellas.

Yes it would be. Superman at those insane sundipped levels would take these 2 blasts as easily as Odin did.

In OWAW, blasts that hurt an already powered up supes and virtually every other hero in DC weren't even felt by Sundipped Supes.

Superman in that state was shown to be above Entropy Aegis Steel...who can dissolve characters like Doomsday with a wave on his hand..and that already is quite a feat.

Dude was taking blasts from a Galactus level Braniac like it was nothing and exerting ridiculous amounts of energy.

Hope that answers the question dude.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by illadelph12
I believe Lois published that Supes was a Kryptonian and that his abilities stem from the effects of sunlight on his alien physiology way back before they became romantically involved. On DC Earth Supes is the #1 international celebrity and world icon; I'm pretty sure a wide swath of people in the developed nations of DC Earth read that Daily Planet article or a translation thereof.
Unless, of course, the meaning of the rule is that every inhabitant of a characters homeworld must know the details, in which case no character would have knowledge of an opponent since most comic Earths have indigenous peoples who don't have access to mass media.

Mighty Odin t'would not waste his time upon the trifling mortal minutae known as newspapers! Odin cares not about this Paris Hilton or the entity known as Brangelina! 😆

All kidding aside, everything you wrote makes sense to me... IF, and only if, Lois wrote that Superman's powers came from the sun in a Daily Planet article. Anybody got a definite answer to that?

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Avlon
Yes it would be. Superman at those insane sundipped levels would take these 2 blasts as easily as Odin did.
In OWAW, blasts that hurt an already powered up supes and virtually every other hero in DC weren't even felt by Sundipped Supes.
Superman in that state was shown to be above Entropy Aegis Steel...who can dissolve characters like Doomsday with a wave on his hand..and that already is quite a feat.
Dude was taking blasts from a Galactus level Braniac like it was nothing and exerting ridiculous amounts of energy.

Sundipped Superman was impressive in this arc but was not invisible and nowhere in that arc did he demonstrate enough power imo to be able to defeat Odin.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sundipped Superman was impressive in this arc but was not invisible and nowhere in that arc did he demonstrate enough power imo to be able to defeat Odin.

Really? Where was Sundipped Superman hurt in that arc?

Once he got to that mode...he was basically shown to be invulnerable. NOTHING was shown to hurt him...and he was barely slowed down at all.

More like Odin hasn't shown the ability to physically beat Supes or even come close to harming him...especially with the stipulations in this thread.

Now bfr? It's possible.

Sundipped Supes was ridiculous.

Ambient MAJIN_OVERLORD

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
......what do you think heat vision is and lemme know when odin started taking someone lifeforce against their will in a fight against an opponent at his level.

I thought HV is just that, heat vision (pure heat). I've never heard of or referred to as a solar beam/blast/flare..

Well, we know for sure that Odin can take someones life force, that is proven fact, what is in question is if Supes can mount a defense against such an attack.. Heck i've never seen Supe defend or stop an energy drain against his being other than a physical counter attack.. I think a lifeforce drain would be far more faster and efficient than say a solar drain.. just my 2 cents..

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Avlon
Yes it would be. Superman at those insane sundipped levels would take these 2 blasts as easily as Odin did.
In OWAW, blasts that hurt an already powered up supes and virtually every other hero in DC weren't even felt by Sundipped Supes.
Superman in that state was shown to be above Entropy Aegis Steel...who can dissolve characters like Doomsday with a wave on his hand..and that already is quite a feat.
Dude was taking blasts from a Galactus level Braniac like it was nothing and exerting ridiculous amounts of energy.
Hope that answers the question dude.

Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with a wave of his hand? 😕

And meh to the rest. Supes was exerting a tremendous amount of energy and ripping apart Braniac drones left and right. But he was shrugging off blasts from Braniac drones only. And only in one panel. And I think we at least agree that those Braniac drones were not blasting him with blasts that were comparable to Imperiex Prime's own personal blast.

Besides, it took a while for Superman to get to those sundipped levels. I doubt Odin is gonna stand there doing nothing waiting for him to approach OWAW power levels. Or maybe his arrogance would...

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Avlon
Really? Where was Sundipped Superman hurt in that arc?
Once he got to that mode...he was basically shown to be invulnerable. NOTHING was shown to hurt him...and he was barely slowed down at all.
More like Odin hasn't shown the ability to physically beat Supes or even come close to harming him...especially with the stipulations in this thread.
Now bfr? It's possible.
Sundipped Supes was ridiculous.

He was defeating Braniac drones. Really who of note did he outright defeat with his power? He was using a ton of energy. You do realize Odin can freeze him in time. Odin>>>Brainiac drones.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with a wave of his hand? 😕
And meh to the rest. Supes was exerting a tremendous amount of energy and ripping apart Braniac drones left and right. But he was shrugging off blasts from Braniac drones only. And only in one panel. And I think we at least agree that those Braniac drones were not blasting him with blasts that were comparable to Imperiex Prime's own personal blast.
Besides, it took a while for Superman to get to those sundipped levels. I doubt Odin is gonna stand there doing nothing waiting for him to approach OWAW power levels. Or maybe his arrogance would...

I agree.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with a wave of his hand? 😕

Yes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
And meh to the rest. Supes was exerting a tremendous amount of energy and ripping apart Braniac drones left and right. But he was shrugging off blasts from Braniac drones only. And only in one panel. And I think we at least agree that those Braniac drones were not blasting him with blasts that were comparable to Imperiex Prime's own personal blast.

They were constant, cumulative, and powered by Imperiex's same energy. Going by mister M's example ( I was answering his question) the energy put out by Thanos and SS was pretty powerful, and while there is no way to discern the exact levels...it's pretty easy to know that's they are ALL high level blasts.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Besides, it took a while for Superman to get to those sundipped levels. I doubt Odin is gonna stand there doing nothing waiting for him to approach OWAW power levels. Or maybe his arrogance would...

He flew through the heart of the sun. Something like that doesn't take long for him. It's not like Odin has a choice whether to stand there or not. Just being in space powers up Supes, the closer he gets to the sun, the more amped he gets, as time passes (it doesn't take long) he gets even more powerful.

He took out Darkseid by just skirting the sun with him and being pissed. Even passing second is a tougher fight for Odin...who unfortunately isn't normally any kind of a speedster himself.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Avlon
Yes.
They were constant, cumulative, and powered by Imperiex's same energy. Going by mister M's example ( I was answering his question) the energy put out by Thanos and SS was pretty powerful, and while there is no way to discern the exact levels...it's pretty easy to know that's they are ALL high level blasts.
He flew through the heart of the sun. Something like that doesn't take long for him. It's not like Odin has a choice whether to stand there or not. Just being in space powers up Supes, the closer he gets to the sun, the more amped he gets, as time passes (it doesn't take long) he gets even more powerful.
He took out Darkseid by just skirting the sun with him and being pissed. Even passing second is a tougher fight for Odin...who unfortunately isn't normally any kind of a speedster himself.

He already had been beating on Darkseid before his sun amp. WW also deflected his omega beams back into Darkseid's face. Superman sunamped himself after Ds had already been severely weakened. Context.

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by quanchi112
He already had been beating on Darkseid before his sun amp. WW also deflected his omega beams back into Darkseid's face. Superman sunamped himself after Ds had already been severely weakened. Context.

He defeated Darkseid in mostly even battles where either one could have won. With his proximity to the sun...he whooped his ass. There is a difference.

As for the beams, where does it say that DS was weakened by them?

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Avlon
Yes.

I would like to know what evidence you have that would make you think Entropy Aegis Steel could dissolve Doomsday with the wave of his hand. As far as I read, the armor was fashioned together from Imperiex drones. Those same Imperiex drones were getting slaughtered by Doomsday.

Originally posted by Avlon
They were constant, cumulative, and powered by Imperiex's same energy. Going by mister M's example ( I was answering his question) the energy put out by Thanos and SS was pretty powerful, and while there is no way to discern the exact levels...it's pretty easy to know that's they are ALL high level blasts.

Um. The Braniac drones only shot him at the end... in a single panel. The source of Braniac's amplified power was Imperiex's energy, but once again, you avoid the simple question, "Do you really think the drone blasts were on the same level exhibited by Imperiex Prime's own personal blast that incinerated Doomsday?" I think the obvious answer is no. Imperiex drones were obviously powered by Imperiex himself and they weren't dissolving the JLA left and right. When they exploded, they didn't even kill armored Wonder Woman. And there is also evidence that the blasts were not even pure entropy blasts: 1) the Amazons were fighting the Braniac tendrils bravely; and 2) Imperiex's energy is constantly depicted as blue, whereas the Braniac drone blasts were actually purple. But again, answer the question.

Originally posted by Avlon
He flew through the heart of the sun. Something like that doesn't take long for him. It's not like Odin has a choice whether to stand there or not. Just being in space powers up Supes, the closer he gets to the sun, the more amped he gets, as time passes (it doesn't take long) he gets even more powerful.
He took out Darkseid by just skirting the sun with him and being pissed. Even passing second is a tougher fight for Odin...who unfortunately isn't normally any kind of a speedster himself.

He didn't just fly through the sun. He sat inside it for a while in a fetal position to build up the power and took some time mentally adjusting to the power increase. And when you have someone who can stop time... well. 'Nuff said.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Avlon
He defeated Darkseid in mostly even battles where either one could have won. With his proximity to the sun...he whooped his ass. There is a difference.
As for the beams, where does it say that DS was weakened by them?

So you need an explanation as to Darkseid's condition as to getting hit smack dab in the face to acknowledge it injured him.

Superman had help in this fight and amped himself so its unfair to credit Superman for a victory in this fight alone as he was aided.

Yes Superman whipped his ass after he was already weakened and I have sen Superman whip his ass without a sunamp before in apokolips now and in tha story he had no aid. Thats a better example imo. 🙂

Avlon Godot Brew#107

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you need an explanation as to Darkseid's condition as to getting hit smack dab in the face to acknowledge it injured him.

People get injured in fights. Superman was injured as well. Go figure.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman had help in this fight and amped himself so its unfair to credit Superman for a victory in this fight alone as he was aided.

Amped by the sun, and pissed off. That is the point. Plus Supes has been hit with the beams already and been fine.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes Superman whipped his ass after he was already weakened and I have sen Superman whip his ass without a sunamp before in apokolips now and in tha story he had no aid. Thats a better example imo. 🙂

Where does it say on panel that DS was weakened? I don't want your theory, nor anyones guesstimation. ON PANEL evidence.

What we do know is that the sun powers up Superman to ridiculous levels. In Apokolips now, it was a far more EVEN fight than the ass whooping DS got later.