Originally posted by Bardock42Ypu didn't even see where I acknowledged that the whole "putting yourself in their shoes" method would not work in a situation this extreme, did you?
I did, they are idiotic, you ask me stupid questions. Constantly.The crazy thing is I didn't even ****ing argue against you...it's ridiculous.
But you felt the need to go ahead and bash away even after I admitted it. 🙄
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Ypu didn't even see where I acknowledged that the whole "putting yourself in their shoes" method would not work in a situation this extreme, did you?But you felt the need to go ahead and bash away even after I admitted it. 🙄
Because it doesn't matter. It's not about whether it would work, but that your way of arguing is to bombard people with trivial and stupid questions, instead of thought out arguments, reasonable claims and correct counters.
Originally posted by Bardock42Doesn't help any when you sit on your pedestal and call others idiots. Your constant trolling and flaming might give you the giggle shits, but it's really pathetic.
Because it doesn't matter. It's not about whether it would work, but that your way of arguing is to bombard people with trivial and stupid questions, instead of thought out arguments, reasonable claims and correct counters.
GMG broke it down for me in a polite manner, made me see the error of that particular line of arguing, and I admitted that in THIS situation it wouldnt work. Try it sometime.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Doesn't help any when you sit on your pedestal and call others idiots. Your constant trolling and flaming might give you the giggle shits, but it's really pathetic.
Mate, I gave you reasons why the label applies to you. Which you, btw, in the most trollish fashion dodged.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
GMG broke it down for me in a polite manner, made me see the error of that particular line of arguing, and I admitted that in THIS situation it wouldnt work. Try it sometime.
You are not reading what I said, you cretin. My point still stands regardless of your little backtracking there.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
I think we should all calm down take a deep breath and reconsider whether or not we are debating about anything worthwhile.
Well, the topic itself is kinda boring, but I can positively say that we are not "discussing" anything, thanks to RJ, so the answer is no...no we do not.
I never said I was good debater. I never said everyone thinks I am a bad debater. The thing is, you guys live for this shit, while I only do it for fun. And the fact that I dont take it as seriously as you obviously means that sometimes, to you guys, my posts seem like nonsense.
Get me in a debate about which SW starfighter is the best, I get serious. Get me talking about the state of the union, and I am not gonna lie, I will sound like an idiot. Why? Because it's not something I am overly interested in.
One thing I dont get is this, and this is just constructive criticism. If we are debating say, Jesus Christ (just a random example), and you guys (the ones of you who are avid atheists, agnostics, etc😉 are bombarding me with reasons why you think Jesus doesn't exist, and I stand firm, saying that I believe in him because of faith alone, all of a sudden I am an idiot or a moron, just because my way of thinking cannot be swayed.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I stand firm, saying that I believe in him because of faith alone, all of a sudden I am an idiot or a moron, just because my way of thinking cannot be swayed.
I wouldn't think idiot or moron
however, faith is weird in debates. I would question the intent of someone getting into a debate knowing they will, no matter what evidence is presented, not change their opinion. Lol, not like conversions take place every day here or whatever, it is just normally, when people take that stance, it becomes frusterating for the person debating with them, as at best, someone arguing from the point of faith, with no other reason, cannot actually give a valid reason for their position and in effect has to just dismiss contradicting evidence
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never said I was good debater. I never said everyone thinks I am a bad debater. The thing is, you guys live for this shit, while I only do it for fun. And the fact that I dont take it as seriously as you obviously means that sometimes, to you guys, my posts seem like nonsense.Get me in a debate about which SW starfighter is the best, I get serious. Get me talking about the state of the union, and I am not gonna lie, I will sound like an idiot. Why? Because it's not something I am overly interested in.
And you're not wrong for that.
I think everyone should know a bit about what's going on in their community and the world, but I don't bog myself down with politics because it doesn't interest me to the point of wanting to debate it. I'd rather debate comics. Some people frown on that, but whatever.
The point I'm trying to make is not to get involved in the first place, then. If you are admittedly clueless, and you know there are people here whom you have a tendancy to get into thread derailing altercations with, then why even bother?
You always rag on GDFers having no lives or being boring, then why are you even here, man? I've always believed you were an OTFer who just wanted to be part of this area of the forum to seem smart, which you denied, but then why are you here? This forum is supposed to be for debates about serious subjects, and if you don't care enough to indulge in a long debate, then don't, but don't start one and then half-assedly continue it by dodging and trolling. Just stop altogether. You're not JacopeX, are you? You are a near 40 year old man, and you should honestly know better than this.
You troll and you dodge, you know you do, I know you do, and I don't doubt for a second that a part of you does it just to get on peoples' nerves. We've ALL done things because it annoys people, I'm not picking you out alone, just saying.
I'm not even saying you are wrong here, but it is what it is. I might b*tch about the OTF, but I'm not going in there telling people to be serious just because I find the content to be juvenile. That's exactly what it's for. I might go in there and *****, but I'm not going there, bitching for change or a shift in tone. This forum clearly isn't what you want it to be, so my suggestion would be to leave it to those "cronies" you claim it IS for.
I know you often use the excuse "Lighten up.", but it's not a matter of people here lightening up, it's simple them not liking your way of conducting yourself.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
One thing I dont get is this, and this is just constructive criticism. If we are debating say, Jesus Christ (just a random example), and you guys (the ones of you who are avid atheists, agnostics, etc😉 are bombarding me with reasons why you think Jesus doesn't exist, and I stand firm, saying that I believe in him because of faith alone, all of a sudden I am an idiot or a moron, just because my way of thinking cannot be swayed.
I don't think anyone is an idiot for believing in Jesus, but what I think is idiotic about what you often do, or others, is in spite of fact, you ignore this and continue to claim it's opinion.
You've done it to me before, and that is what bugs people. While you interpret this as people getting pissed that you don't agree, it is, in actual fact, people being frustrated that your inability to differentiate entirely between fact and opinion often slows debates down. Mostly because even after you've made clear you are saying it's opinion when something is not, you insist on remaining in the debate, cheering on others if not continuing to post yourself. It drags threads back and prevents progression.
I don't care if you agree or disagree with anything I subjectively believe, but what you often confuse is what precisely IS subjective or objective, and that is what frustrates people. Not that you won't agree.
This isn't me bashing you, I'm honestly just trying to offer you insight so that you might attempt to make this forum a better place for yourself and others, because I'm pretty sure it's as much fun for you to get into this shit as it is for others.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha CentauriThat actually helpd a bit, thanks. 👆And you're not wrong for that.
I think everyone should know a bit about what's going on in their community and the world, but I don't bog myself down with politics because it doesn't interest me to the point of wanting to debate it. I'd rather debate comics. Some people frown on that, but whatever.
The point I'm trying to make is not to get involved in the first place, then. If you are admittedly clueless, and you know there are people here whom you have a tendancy to get into thread derailing altercations with, then why even bother?
You always rag on GDFers having no lives or being boring, then why are you even here, man? I've always believed you were an OTFer who just wanted to be part of this area of the forum to seem smart, which you denied, but then why are you here? This forum is supposed to be for debates about serious subjects, and if you don't care enough to indulge in a long debate, then don't, but don't start one and then half-assedly continue it by dodging and trolling. Just stop altogether. You're not JacopeX, are you? You are a near 40 year old man, and you should honestly know better than this.
You troll and you dodge, you know you do, I know you do, and I don't doubt for a second that a part of you does it just to get on peoples' nerves. We've ALL done things because it annoys people, I'm not picking you out alone, just saying.
I'm not even saying you are wrong here, but it is what it is. I might b*tch about the OTF, but I'm not going in there telling people to be serious just because I find the content to be juvenile. That's exactly what it's for. I might go in there and *****, but I'm not going there, bitching for change or a shift in tone. This forum clearly isn't what you want it to be, so my suggestion would be to leave it to those "cronies" you claim it IS for.
I know you often use the excuse "Lighten up.", but it's not a matter of people here lightening up, it's simple them not liking your way of conducting yourself.
I don't think anyone is an idiot for believing in Jesus, but what I think is idiotic about what you often do, or others, is in spite of fact, you ignore this and continue to claim it's opinion.
You've done it to me before, and that is what bugs people. While you interpret this as people getting pissed that you don't agree, it is, in actual fact, people being frustrated that your inability to differentiate entirely between fact and opinion often slows debates down. Mostly because even after you've made clear you are saying it's opinion when something is not, you insist on remaining in the debate, cheering on others if not continuing to post yourself. It drags threads back and prevents progression.
I don't care if you agree or disagree with anything I subjectively believe, but what you often confuse is what precisely IS subjective or objective, and that is what frustrates people. Not that you won't agree.
This isn't me bashing you, I'm honestly just trying to offer you insight so that you might attempt to make this forum a better place for yourself and others, because I'm pretty sure it's as much fun for you to get into this shit as it is for others.
-AC [/B]