Originally posted by BackFireIt stood up in court because there were no witnesses, and all they had to go on is his word.
Do you even read posts? I've said that he was in the wrong. He was in the wrong going out against the operators warning.BUT - When he went outside he didn't just start blasting. Again, had he done that, I'd be right there with you. He went out and told the offenders to freeze, then they charged him, so he fired. This stood up in court, so obviously there was something to back this up. If it was just empty rhetoric on his part it would have gotten him nowhere.
So yes, he was in the wrong, doesn't mean he's some cold blooded killer who went out with the intent to actually kill. Despite what he said to the operator.
IMO, he went out there set to kill, whether they froze or not.
Originally posted by Rogue JediWe have to take into account he's crazy and got nervous. He just said that's what he wanted to do, anyway. He certainly won't get a death sentence.. but he won't get like over a year in jail?
It stood up in court because there were no witnesses, and all they had to go on is his word.IMO, he went out there set to kill, whether they froze or not.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Strange. I don't like the violent rapes.I like to hide under the bed. You can always tell when they are legitimately asleep based on how they breathe...
No you can't. You really can't. Besides half the time you run into hi-- her father as you're walking out of the room..
Originally posted by Evil Dead
the important thing from this story is that two criminals will no longer be committing criminal acts agaisnt upstanding, law abiding citizens. You want to live in society, you follow the rules set forth to protect all citizens. You don't want to follow those rules, you don't get to live in the society. These two guys are no longer living in our society.
While true in some respects, you fail to recognize that he killed the second thief (the one that didn't charge) for no reason than simple vendetta, which is a crime. Last time I checked, death wasn't the penalty for thievery.
Edit:
"Horn said he turned slightly to the right and fired toward the second man, Ortiz, who ran at a fast pace back in the direction of his neighbor's house. Torres remained in his yard and was walking back toward Horn. He fired a third shot."
The second thief was shot while running AWAY after seeing his partner take a round. Hard to imagine Horn was feeling threatened by a guy high-tailing it.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No you can't. You really can't.
You can. 313
It takes practice and patience. 😄 Also, the snorers are the easiest...
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Besides half the time you run into hi-- her father as you're walking out of the room..
I see what cha did there. 😮💨
Originally posted by RobtardIndeed. Even if the first guy "charged" him (I call bullshit there), why shoot the second guy who was running away?
While true in some respects, you fail to recognize that he killed the second thief (the one that didn't charge) for no reason than simple vendetta, which is a crime. Last time I checked, death wasn't the penalty for thievery.Edit:
"Horn said he turned slightly to the right and fired toward the second man, Ortiz, who ran at a fast pace back in the direction of his neighbor's house. Torres remained in his yard and was walking back toward Horn. He fired a third shot."The second thief was shot while running AWAY after seeing his partner take a round. Hard to imagine Horn was feeling threatened by a guy high-tailing it.
Oh yeah, he felt "threatened".
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Indeed. Even if the first guy "charged" him (I call bullshit there), why shoot the second guy who was running away?Oh yeah, he felt "threatened".
Because when you get attacked your mind isn't always going to be thinking properly. Your reactions are often going to be based on pure instinct and reflexes.
Originally posted by BackFireHere we go again, "attacked".......Even if he was "attacked", WHY shoot the second guy in the back as he FLEES? I don't buy it.
Because when you get attacked your mind isn't always going to be thinking properly. Your reactions are often going to be based on pure instinct and reflexes.
Originally posted by BackFireSo when I say he wasnt charged because no one in their right mind would charge a man with a 12 guage I am full of shit, but when you take him at his word that he was indeed charged, attacked, or whatever, it's fact?
I just told you why. He had been attacked and he wasn't thinking straight, he was freaked out and working of pure instinct.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So he didnt venture out with the intent to kill? Maybe you should listen to the 911 call again.
I think he acted without thinking and made two mistakes that will haunt him to his grave.
What he did was drastic and stupid, but you act as if you've never been in a situation where you weren't thinking and you said or did something that you later regretted. I feel that this is what happened to him, except on a much larger scale.
I don't think he was racially motivated, I don't think he was planning all along to kill these people and I don't think he was in a "bloodlust". He made the biggest mistakes of his life and he has to live with them.
Originally posted by RölandThen he should have stayed inside and covered the door with his shotgun instead of being all gung ho and PURSUING them.
I think he was an old man who was fearing for his life because he witnessed two unknown people breaking into his neighbors house and had no idea if they were coming to his house next. I think you should listen to the 911 call again because the man sounds as if he is just rambling and has no coherent thought whatsoever.I think he acted without thinking and made two mistakes that will haunt him to his grave.
What he did was drastic and stupid, but you act as if you've never been in a situation where you weren't thinking and you said or did something that you later regretted. I feel that this is what happened to him, except on a much larger scale.
I don't think he was racially motivated, I don't think he was planning all along to kill these people and I don't think he was in a "bloodlust". He made the biggest mistakes of his life and he has to live with them.