Punisher vs Joker

Originally posted by Raoul
that's not proof that frank>batman.

I dont think Frank>Batman you said that he cant match Batman in h2h I provided evidence. I think Frank can match him ie stalemate.

Originally posted by Raoul

also, two words. captain america.

Seven words.....Dardevil, Kraven The Hunter, Bullseye, Moon Knight. *shrug*

Please tell me you're not refering to Punsiher getting beaten up by Cap in The Civil War? 😬

Originally posted by Raoul

prove that frank can match lady shiva, or ra's...

Well for starters Batman has never beaten Lady Shiva (without help). I think he had a swordfight with with Ras. The only way I can prove that Frank can match those people is by giving examples of mas hes stalmated or beaten with comparable ability. I gave examples above.

Originally posted by Raoul

if i decided to prove batman could beat any of the people you mentioned, that would be ABC logic...

Saying Joker can beat Frank because he can beat Batman is ABC logic.

Originally posted by Raoul

and you're saying that you're not?

I am but you're using it as well. Saying that Joker will beat Frank in prep because hes beaten Batman is exactly the same as me saying that Frank can beat Joker in prep because hes beaten Dr Doom. 😐

Ahahahahahaha!!!

Frank being Batman's better or equal in hand to hand combat?

I didn't think it possible, but you just proved yourself an even larger fanboy.

crylaugh

Batman would absolutley destroy Punisher in h2h.

Edit: And to make it clear, so would Shiva or Ra's for that matter.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont think Frank>Batman you said that he cant match Batman in h2h I provided evidence. I think Frank can match him ie stalemate.

Seven words.....Dardevil, Kraven The Hunter, Bullseye, Moon Knight. *shrug*

Please tell me you're not refering to Punsiher getting beaten up by Cap in The Civil War? 😬

Well for starters Batman has never beaten Lady Shiva (without help). I think he had a swordfight with with Ras. The only way I can prove that Frank can match those people is by giving examples of mas hes stalmated or beaten with comparable ability. I gave examples above.

Saying Joker can beat Frank because he can beat Batman is ABC logic.

I am but you're using it as well. Saying that Joker will beat Frank in prep because hes beaten Batman is exactly the same as me saying that Frank can beat Joker in prep because hes beaten Dr Doom. 😐

Originally posted by Soljer
Ahahahahahaha!!!

Frank being Batman's better or equal in hand to hand combat?

I didn't think it possible, but you just proved yourself an even larger fanboy.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
crylaugh

Batman would absolutley destroy Punisher in h2h.

Edit: And to make it clear, so would Shiva or Ra's for that matter.

the people have spoken...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I think Frank can match him ie stalemate.

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I kinda have to laugh at everyone getting so heated in here. Guys its characters from a comic book, not your best friend or your brother or even a man from up the street!

Yes you have the right to debate but just remember guys its just a COMIC

Originally posted by Raoul
the people have spoken...

What evidence have the people provided? I provided evidence. Just saying that Btamn can beat Frank in h2h is not evidence.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
crylaugh

Batman would absolutley destroy Punisher in h2h.

Edit: And to make it clear, so would Shiva or Ra's for that matter.

Prove it.

Originally posted by Badwolf
I kinda have to laugh at everyone getting so heated in here. Guys its characters from a comic book, not your best friend or your brother or even a man from up the street!

Yes you have the right to debate but just remember guys its just a COMIC

Reported haw-som

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
What evidence have the people provided? I provided evidence. Just saying that Btamn can beat Frank in h2h is not evidence.

Prove it.

what you call evidence, and what is actual evidence, are two different things, apparently... if you think any of the people you named could even last in a h2h fight with batman, then prove it. prove daredevil, or kraven is comparable to batman...

its up to you to prove that they are...

Originally posted by Raoul
prove daredevil, or kraven is comparable to batman...

daredevil is certainly comparable to batman in h2h skills...

Originally posted by Raoul
what you call evidence, and what is actual evidence, are two different things, apparently... if you think any of the people you named could even last in a h2h fight with batman, then prove it. prove daredevil, or kraven is comparable to batman...

its up to you to prove that they are...

Well lets see DD was stalemating Captain America in h2h. The writer for JLA/Avengers said that Batman admitted that Cap was better than him at h2h.

Black Panther would beat Batman in h2h because hes been too fast for Cap while injured. Frank was stalemating a guy that agve BP hell in h2h.

Originally posted by Starscream M
daredevil is certainly comparable to batman in h2h skills...

I know he is but I need to prove it. *shrug*

Originally posted by Phantom Zone

I know he is but I need to prove it. *shrug*

Originally posted by Starscream M
daredevil is certainly comparable to batman in h2h skills...

comparable? matt is good, he's very good, but skill wise?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
[B]Well lets see DD was stalemating Captain America in h2h. The writer for JLA/Avengers said that Batman admitted that Cap was better than him at h2h.

Black Panther would beat Batman in h2h because hes been too fast for Cap while injured. Frank was stalemating a guy that agve BP hell in h2h.

ABC logic?

Originally posted by Starscream M
no you don't....anyone who reads comics knows that they are comparable.

Terrible just terrible..... 😬

Originally posted by Raoul
comparable? matt is good, he's very good, but skill wise?

Lets put it this way he can beat Batman.

Originally posted by Raoul

ABC logic?

Ok so give me reasons why Batman will beat Frank in h2h. What logic are you using?

Originally posted by Raoul
comparable? matt is good, he's very good, but skill wise?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Terrible just terrible..... 😬

Originally posted by Starscream M
what the hell are you babbling about...i was trying to help you out.

Sorry my bad, im a bit pissed off today, took it the wrong way.

Originally posted by Starscream M
comparable doesn't mean DD and Batman are exactly the same skillwise...it means they're very close in skill. I don't see why anyone would think DD isn't very close to Batman in skill, in certain aspects, DD excels OVER batman, and others where batman has the edge, but the two are definitely comparable.

dd is helped ALOT by his powers, if not for those, he wouldn't give bruce much of a fight, imo...

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Lets put it this way he can beat Batman.

proof?

Ok so give me reasons why Batman will beat Frank in h2h. What logic are you using?

no logic, just common sense.

batman is generally considered to be a top tier h2h fighter, on par with pretty much anyone when it comes to skill. i don't need to prove that, as its a well known fact. asking me to prove it is like asking me to prove that the sky is blue.

i don't have to prove that bruce can take frank, the burden is on you.

Originally posted by Raoul
dd is helped ALOT by his powers, if not for those, he wouldn't give bruce much of a fight, imo...

So is that relevant? When Frank fought DD he had his radar sense. His radar sense enhances his fighting ability but were not talking about raw skill we are talking about who would win in a fight radar sense included.

Originally posted by Raoul

proof?

Well what would you consider to be proof, hes never fought Batman before has he, so they next best thing is Captain America. Furthermore you have used ABC logic yourself.

Originally posted by Raoul

no logic, just common sense.

batman is generally considered to be a top tier h2h fighter, on par with pretty much anyone when it comes to skill. i don't need to prove that, as its a well known fact. asking me to prove it is like asking me to prove that the sky is blue.

i don't have to prove that bruce can take frank, the burden is on you.

I know hes a top tier fighter but how does that prove that because hes a top tier fighter that he will beat Frank? DD is a top tier fighter as well, so ok because hes a top tier fighter that means he cant beat DD, the last time they fought DD got badly injured.

Hell Punsiher managed to brefifly hold off Wolverine while he was injured, Wolverine is top tier and when he fought Wolverine he had his Hf and adamantuim, Frank ahd no enhancements and was injured

Saying that Batman is a top tier fighter in itself does not prove anything.

Frank beats Joker, this is about them and not Frank vs Bruce, DD, Kraven etc.....