personally, I think Frank is wellsuited against the Joker
remember, Joker has great success against Batman because he knows Batman is weak and won't kill
Frank is a bordering sociopath himself and will have no qualms at all about ripping the smile of the clown. Joker better not underestimate Frank, or he'll be having his last laugh...for real.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneGoing to Doom's place to steal from him would probably take longer than a week and would be self BFR anyway.
Not really Punisher has stolen from Dr Doom who has better prep feats than The Joker.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWhat evidence? That he likes really big guns?
All you guys keep saying is Punisher is going to lsoe despite the evidence presented.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneCircular reasoning.
As stated earlier Less intelligent people than Batman have beaten Joker. 😬
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSorry, Harley's not a viable option as they're in Marvel's New York. Harley doesn't exist in this world.
Frank kidnapas Harley and draws him out. Joker is in love with Harley. 😬
Originally posted by Starscream M
personally, I think Frank is wellsuited against the Jokerremember, Joker has great success against Batman because he knows Batman is weak and won't kill
Frank is a bordering sociopath himself and will have no qualms at all about ripping the smile of the clown. Joker better not underestimate Frank, or he'll be having his last laugh...for real.
👆
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The point being made is this....im having to scrape at the bottom of the barrel because everything we come up is rejected.
and do you wonder why?
They are? Please explain how kidnapping somebody is something that is far different from what villains have done? Please explain how killing somebodies partner is so different from what other villains have done? Please explain how setting death traps are so different from what other villains have done?Hell ive never seen a villain do that before.
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Ive never seen a villain do this before. Wow Joker brainwashed somebody... 😬
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Toy robots. What theres nobody in the history of marvel that has ever used toy robots before?
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How is that unpredictable?
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assuming that's all the joker is capable of, would be a bad argument in itself... go through the joker's history, its not just a case of 'oh, he kidnapped this guy' or 'look, he's using tiny robots' its how and when he uses such simple methods, that catch out people... he's not going to be predictable to frank... frank could think joker couldn't use tiny robots, or joker venom, but the joker is by definition the guy who does something you never see coming...
Thats not your initial argument though was it? Your initial argument was that its bad writing. How else are we going to prove that Punsiher can kill Joker? Is Frank a part of the DC Universe, no.
how could i call something i've never read bad writing? i took you at your word that frank beats joker, thats fine, my argument is simply that one showing doesnt contradict years of othr showings...
What about all of Dr Doom showings? In my opinion you have not proven that Jokers madness somehow makes him more difficult.
its his very madness and unpredictability that makes him so dangerous... asking me to prove joker is bat-shit crazy dangerous is like asking me to prove superman is a boyscout, or cap is patriotic, or cyclops is emotionally detached... its an integral part of the character
You keep saying that. Wheres the proof?
i'm not going to spend time trying to prove what is general comic knowledge...
Ive listed some of those prep feats theres nothing there that other villains haven't done. With all due respect you keep saying he has prep feats, you keep saying hes too crazy and quite frankly what evidence have you provided?
as i said already, its general comic knowledge.
I mean hell Batgirl, Jason Todd have folied The Jokers plans. Why the hell is he too much for Punisher?
because the punisher doesn't mean anything to the joker. he doesn't kill batman because batman defines his existence. he had no problems killing jason todd or finding barbara gordon when it suited him.
if the joker gets it into his head that he wants to kill punisher, he'll find a way to do so...
Originally posted by Creshoskare you seriously asking this question?
"How does Frank find Joker in a city of 8,274,527 people?"
the Joker is not exactly a covert operative ya know? he's one of the biggest attention whores in comics....the guy will not only not hide his whereabouts....he'll actively seek ways to give Frank clues about where to find him. I wouldnt be surprised if Frank turns on the TV and finds Joker inviting him to come over.
Originally posted by Starscream MBy the time he does that Joker's trap will be set up..
are you seriously asking this question?the Joker is not exactly a covert operative ya know? he's one of the biggest attention whores in comics....the guy will not only not hide his whereabouts....he'll actively seek ways to give Frank clues about where to find him. I wouldnt be surprised if Frank turns on the TV and finds Joker inviting him to come over.
Why the hell did you call yourself "Master Bruce" before if you don't know a thing about Batman's main rogue?
Originally posted by Starscream M
are you seriously asking this question?the Joker is not exactly a covert operative ya know? he's one of the biggest attention whores in comics....the guy will not only not hide his whereabouts....he'll actively seek ways to give Frank clues about where to find him. I wouldnt be surprised if Frank turns on the TV and finds Joker inviting him to come over.
he does that to BATMAN. he rarely does it to anyone else. that would include frank.
Originally posted by Creshoskya and...you don't think Frank is astute enough to realize a trap is being set?
By the time he does that Joker's trap will be set up..
fact is, Frank has faced psychopaths before.
Joker has never faced a 'good guy' as brutal as Frank. By the time Joker realizes Frank isn't here to play around, the jokes gonna be on him.
Originally posted by Raoul
i'm not going to spend time trying to prove what is general comic knowledge...as i said already, its general comic knowledge.
The only reason why its general comic knowledge is because you say it is. There are lots of people in this discussion who do not think its general comic knowledge but you have decided it is based on your own opinion.
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but in my opinion its bad debating etiquette to not provide any evidence because you think you are right despite the fact there are many people in this debate who think otherwise. 👇
Originally posted by Creshosk
I've noticed no one wants to answer my questions:"How does Frank find Joker in a city of 8,274,527 people?"
"How does Frank research Joker when he won't be in the system?"
Survillance cameras, snithces.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
The only reason why its general comic knowledge is because you say it is. There are lots of people in this discussion who do not think its general comic knowledge but you have decided it is based on your own opinion.That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but in my opinion its bad debating etiquette to not provide any evidence because you think you are right despite the fact there are many people in this debate who think otherwise. 👇
Survillance cameras, snithces.
there are more people in general who agree with me than disagree, hence it being general comic knowledge... joker and his reputation were around long before i was, and will continue to be for many years...
Originally posted by Raoulalf never disputed that Joker's madness makes him dangerous....very dangerous. What he said was, what about Joker's madness would make you believe him to be MORE dangerous than a villain such as Dr. Doom.
there are more people in general who agree with me than disagree, hence it being general comic knowledge... joker and his reputation were around long before i was, and will continue to be for many years...
Originally posted by Raoul
there are more people in general who agree with me than disagree, hence it being comic knowledge... joker and his reputation were around long before i was, and will continue to be for many years...
Just because more people agree does not make it right. As Creshock would say argumentam ad poplularem (or something like that).
Its still good manners however to provide evidence. 👆
Originally posted by Starscream M
alf never disputed that Joker's madness makes him dangerous....very dangerous. What he said was, what about Joker's madness would make you believe him to be MORE dangerous than a villain such as Dr. Doom.
BINGO!
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe's going to put up surveillance cameras that he'll have access to all over a 11,011.9 square mile that he'll be able to use in a week?
]Survillance cameras, snithces.
And he's going to be able to find people in the 8.2 million population that have seen the joker... in a week.
ka-dur
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNo, actually "General comic book knowledge" IS dictated by what the majority of people know. the "General" part of it indicates this.
Just because more people agree does not make it right. As Creshock would say argumentam ad poplularem (or something like that).Its still good manners however to provide evidence. 👆
BINGO!
That's kind of the definition...
Originally posted by Creshoskout of all possible arguments, i can't belive you think Frank would be incapable of finding one of the most flamboyant villains of our time...the guy leaves calling cards specifically for good guys to catch on to him
He's going to put up surveillance cameras that he'll have access to all over a 11,011.9 square mile that he'll be able to use in a week?And he's going to be able to find people in the 8.2 million population that have seen the joker... in a week.
ka-dur
the joker likes to enjoy his encounters...he gains no pleasure from eluding good guys or killing them without any splash...the joker is a showman first and foremost...he likes to make a big show...he's not one to kill frank without frank knowing how great the joker is first
guys, argue with CIS on please!
Originally posted by Creshoskand what defines majority? cuz 51% is a technical majority, but thats a weak leg to stand on to claim general comic book knowledge
No, actually "General comic book knowledge" IS dictated by what the majority of people know. the "General" part of it indicates this.That's kind of the definition...
Originally posted by Creshosk
He's going to put up surveillance cameras that he'll have access to all over a 11,011.9 square mile that he'll be able to use in a week?And he's going to be able to find people in the 8.2 million population that have seen the joker... in a week.
ka-dur
Didn't see the week, he can lure him out.
Originally posted by Creshosk
No, actually "General comic book knowledge" IS dictated by what the majority of people know. the "General" part of it indicates this.That's kind of the definition...
LOL what the defintion of comic book knowledge is, is irrelevant. You have crticised people on this forum for saying that most people agree with me.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHow? He has nothing the joker would want, remember? This is frank's town?
Didn't see the week, he can lure him out.
What could Frank possibly get in his own city to lure Joker out.
Originally posted by Starscream MSpecifically for BATMAN to catch him... I can't believe you try to debate subjects you know nothing about.
out of all possible arguments, i can't belive you think Frank would be incapable of finding one of the most flamboyant villains of our time...the guy leaves calling cards specifically for good guys to catch on to him
Yet here we are.
Originally posted by Starscream MAnd his big shows are usually when he's already set them up. By the time he attempts to lure Punisher into a trap, the trap will be set up.
the joker likes to enjoy his encounters...he gains no pleasure from eluding good guys or killing them without any splash...the joker is a showman first and foremost...he likes to make a big show...he's not one to kill frank without frank knowing how great the joker is first
Originally posted by Starscream MSo the characters can be like you?
guys, argue with CIS on please!
