Originally posted by occultdestroyerThanos would stand a chance but i don't think he can put him down. The Surfer would beat him due to the whole cosmic awareness Gladiator gets pooped on the other two are no brainers.
There are a couple of MU characters who can beat Superman-Prime:Thanos
Silver Surfer
Gladiator
Dormammu
OdinThis not counting the Celestials and Abstracts.
Sentry has no business with SMP.
By the way is this current Marvel? if that is the case then I don't think Odin counts.
I don't see Gladiator pulling it off unless he is one of his "I think myself unbeatable!" high end days.
Surfer can definitely do it, but he better not waste his time or its bye bye for him.
Thanos...hmm I rather keep out of this one.
And well...SMP wrecks hell in DC because they write him like that. And since you said SMP would be as powerful/team wrecking as in DC I suppose he would cause the same ammount of havok since writters would just have him do it.
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
There are a couple of MU characters who can beat Superman-Prime:Thanos
Silver Surfer
Gladiator
Dormammu
OdinThis not counting the Celestials and Abstracts.
I agree with this list and gladiator has done some of the things that prime is current doing like moving planets, thats a feat that gladiator has being doing since his beginning. Traveling across the universe in a couple of panels, gladiator has been clocked at 100 x's the speed of light and that might wasnt his limit. surviving major blast, superman prime was hit by a nuke from monarch and stated that he was hurt bad, gladiator didnt even recognize a solar system destroying blast and flew out of it like it was nothing. Destroying planets, Hmm, both have destroyed planets but gladiator physically punched a planet and destroyed it, um prime had to fly to the core of the planet to destroy it. Without low showings them two should be the fight of the centry. By the way I think that sentry could give him a good fight also.
Originally posted by carver9
surviving major blast, superman prime was hit by a nuke from monarch
It wasn't a nuke. Ray Palmer speculated that it was a nuke, though he didn't even know that Prime and Monarch were fighting.
Originally posted by carver9
and stated that he was hurt bad,
And all that was damaged was his cape. It was the same as when he destroyed Earth-15. All that was damaged was his cape. Then, after he breached Monarch's armor, the Universe was destroyed, and Prime survived. And no, so far nothing indicates that Time Trapper rescued Prime before he was hit by the blast. In Legion of Three Worlds Prime's costume is wrecked, when he breached Monarch's armor the only thing that was damaged was his cape.
Originally posted by carver9
um prime had to fly to the core of the planet to destroy it.
Prime didn't have to fly through the planet in order to destroy it. He could have done it the same way Gladiator did, considering regular Superman was said to be able to destroy planets with his punches.
If the surfer starts getting really creative with his powers then he might get a few wins. Howver with SS mindset and nature he would probably get beaten silly early in the fight. If he had the ruthless mindset of exiles surfer then he would stand a much better chance. After all power wise he still beats superman prime by a ratio of like 5:1
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Surfer would be ripped in half before he could drain him.Sentry? Sentry would be crushed by regular Superman, let alone SMP.
Gladiator would fall as well, but not like Sentry.
I can see Thanos as a challenge, but I don't see him taking out SMP.
Odin...Honestly I don't even see Odin beating SMP.
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Originally posted by Rorschach
It wasn't a nuke. Ray Palmer speculated that it was a nuke, though he didn't even know that Prime and Monarch were fighting.And all that was damaged was his cape. It was the same as when he destroyed Earth-15. All that was damaged was his cape. Then, after he breached Monarch's armor, the Universe was destroyed, and Prime survived. And no, so far nothing indicates that Time Trapper rescued Prime before he was hit by the blast. In Legion of Three Worlds Prime's costume is wrecked, when he breached Monarch's armor the only thing that was damaged was his cape.
Prime didn't have to fly through the planet in order to destroy it. He could have done it the same way Gladiator did, considering regular Superman was said to be able to destroy planets with his punches.
Do you have proof that the blast was stronger or even just as strong as a nuke. The damage that it caused didnt prove otherwise.
It wasnt the physical damage that was in question, it took him two panels to show up and attack monarch. From that alone that should say that he was at least temporarily knocked out. And yes time trapper had a lot to do with superman prime showing back up, unless you can explain to me how he appeared in front of time trapper in the 1st place and why didnt he talk during the time time trapper threw him through the time dimension barriers.
Do you have any on panel proof of regular superman destroying a planet with nothing more then brute strength, if not then I guess when cell stated that his blast was going to destroy the solar system it was a true statement. Superman brags a lot and from that statement alone, that wasnt nothing but hyperbole. It would have had more credit if the narrator said it. Im quite sure superman thought that he could move the moon by himself but he was fooled, just like he thought he was strong enough to take konvikt out by himself.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have proof that the blast was stronger or even just as strong as a nuke. The damage that it caused didnt prove otherwise.
I never said it was as powerful as any nuke. I just pointed out that it wasn't a nuke like you claimed it was.
Your exact words
superman prime was hit by a nuke from monarch
Stop trying to change the subject just because you’ve been caught lying, again. It wasn’t a nuke. And you’re going to have to make it clearer what you mean by “that the blast was stronger or even just as strong as a nuke”. A Nuke’s power depends on its yield. Furthermore, your sentence doesn’t many sense to me. First you ask me whether I have proof that the blast was stronger than a nuke or just as strong as nuke (though you don’t tell me what yield it should be), and then you say that damage it caused didn’t prove otherwise. Now what the hell does that mean? I mean, maybe I’m missing something here since my English sucks, but that really makes no sense to me. You ask me if I have proof that indicates whether the blast was stronger than a nuke Or if it was even just as strong as a nuke (and in your previous post you said that it was a nuke that Monarch hit Prime with), and then you tell me that the damage it caused didn’t prove otherwise. So what exactly do you mean by that? The damage that Monarch’s blast caused didn’t indicate that it wasn’t as strong as or stronger than a nuclear blast? Is that what you’re trying to tell me? Because that’s all I’m really getting from that. Now, I’m probably not understanding you due to my problems with English, but it’s also possible that you typed some shit that didn’t make any sense. Ah, but then again, my English sucks.
Originally posted by carver9
It wasnt the physical damage that was in question, it took him two panels to show up and attack monarch. From that alone that should say that he was at least temporarily knocked out.
No, it means he was off-panel. Hercules punched Sentry during Civil War, and Sentry wasn’t seen again till the end of the battle. That doesn’t mean he was knocked out. In Action Comics 845, Bizarro attacks Superman, and Superman isn’t shown for an entire page, but he’s shown up and fine in the next page. He wasn’t knocked out just because he was missing from one page, seeing as he wasn’t even shown been knocked out. The same thing applies to Prime.
Originally posted by carver9
And yes time trapper had a lot to do with superman prime showing back up
So far there’s nothing to indicate that the Time Trapper did anything other than send Prime to the future.
Originally posted by carver9
unless you can explain to me how he appeared in front of time trapper in the 1st place
The Time Trapper sent Prime to the future after he was hit by Monarch’s energy.
Originally posted by carver9
and why didnt he talk during the time time trapper threw him through the time dimension barriers.
I said he survived the destruction of a Universe. I didn’t say he wasn’t affected at all. I doubt Prime even knew what was going on.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have any on panel proof of regular superman destroying a planet with nothing more then brute strength
I just told you that it was said he could destroy planets with physical force, not that it shown.
Originally posted by carver9
if not then I guess when cell stated that his blast was going to destroy the solar system it was a true statement.
There’s a difference between boasting and thinking to yourself.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman brags a lot and from that statement alone, that wasnt nothing but hyperbole.
Superman doesn’t brag about himself, to himself. And other characters have said he could destroy a planet, at least on one occasion.
Originally posted by carver9
It would have had more credit if the narrator said it.
It was stated by the narrator, in an issue of Superboy and the Legion. Oh, and that’s cannon to current Superman.
Originally posted by carver9
Im quite sure superman thought that he could move the moon by himself by himself but he was fooled
And when did he say that? Give me an issue number.
Originally posted by carver9
just like he thought he was strong enough to take konvikt out by himself.
He thought he could take Konvikt out because he had just arrived, he didn’t know exactly how powerful Konvikt was. He inaccurately gauged the power of someone he had never fought before. Now, there’s a difference between gauging someone else’s power, and thinking to yourself about how hard you’ve been hitting someone. I’m sure Superman knew how hard he was hitting Konvikt, and he had no reason to lie to himself.
Originally posted by Rorschach
I never said it was as powerful as any nuke. I just pointed out that it wasn't a nuke like you claimed it was.[B]Your exact words
superman prime was hit by a nuke from monarch
Stop trying to change the subject just because you’ve been caught lying, again. It wasn’t a nuke. And you’re going to have to make it clearer what you mean by “that the blast was stronger or even just as strong as a nuke”. A Nuke’s power depends on its yield. Furthermore, your sentence doesn’t many sense to me. First you ask me whether I have proof that the blast was stronger than a nuke or just as strong as nuke (though you don’t tell me what yield it should be), and then you say that damage it caused didn’t prove otherwise. Now what the hell does that mean? I mean, maybe I’m missing something here since my English sucks, but that really makes no sense to me. You ask me if I have proof that indicates whether the blast was stronger than a nuke Or if it was even just as strong as a nuke (and in your previous post you said that it was a nuke that Monarch hit Prime with), and then you tell me that the damage it caused didn’t prove otherwise. So what exactly do you mean by that? The damage that Monarch’s blast caused didn’t indicate that it wasn’t as strong as or stronger than a nuclear blast? Is that what you’re trying to tell me? Because that’s all I’m really getting from that. Now, I’m probably not understanding you due to my problems with English, but it’s also possible that you typed some shit that didn’t make any sense. Ah, but then again, my English sucks.
No, it means he was off-panel. Hercules punched Sentry during Civil War, and Sentry wasn’t seen again till the end of the battle. That doesn’t mean he was knocked out. In Action Comics 845, Bizarro attacks Superman, and Superman isn’t shown for an entire page, but he’s shown up and fine in the next page. He wasn’t knocked out just because he was missing from one page, seeing as he wasn’t even shown been knocked out. The same thing applies to Prime.
So far there’s nothing to indicate that the Time Trapper did anything other than send Prime to the future.
The Time Trapper sent Prime to the future after he was hit by Monarch’s energy.
I said he survived the destruction of a Universe. I didn’t say he wasn’t affected at all. I doubt Prime even knew what was going on.
I just told you that it was said he could destroy planets with physical force, not that it shown.
There’s a difference between boasting and thinking to yourself.
Superman doesn’t brag about himself, to himself. And other characters have said he could destroy a planet, at least on one occasion.
It was stated by the narrator, in an issue of Superboy and the Legion. Oh, and that’s cannon to current Superman.
And when did he say that? Give me an issue number.
He thought he could take Konvikt out because he had just arrived, he didn’t know exactly how powerful Konvikt was. He inaccurately gauged the power of someone he had never fought before. Now, there’s a difference between gauging someone else’s power, and thinking to yourself about how hard you’ve been hitting someone. I’m sure Superman knew how hard he was hitting Konvikt, and he had no reason to lie to himself. [/B]
What was your point in saying that the blast wasnt a nuke, you made it appear as if the blast contained more power then a nuke and thats why I asked for on panel proof because a nuke would have leveled that entire city.
You could be right about the superman prime thing, about him being knocked out but again theres nothing thats indicating that he wasnt.
So far theres nothing proving that time trapper didnt do anything to bring superboy back. He did state that he wanted to use superboy to kill the legion of superheroes, so why not resurrect him with all the damage he has done so far.
Again show me some on panel proof showing that superman could physically bust a moon up with physical strength (not fly through). If there is no proof and just words then theres nothing that you can use to put him up there with planet destroying strength. By the way superman brags a lot unless you forgot him threatning to punch black adam with a punch that would split a moon in half. Hes full of hyperbole.
Question, do you think that black adam could physically destroy a planet?
I agree there is a difference between boasting but the difference between cell boasting and superman boasting is that dragonball character can sense the power of a blast and power levels of villians/heros so cell knew the amount of power that his blast was going to generate whereas superman dont have anything to back up him destroying a planet.