Shaman vs Superman

Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually even that's not true as if were using the government Alpha Flight the first lineup was:

Wolverine, Groundhog, Stitch, Saint Elmo, Smart Alec, Snowbird with Mac and Sasquatch (who didn't have his powers yet) as team directors.

When they left the governement and offically became a team that was the lineup as I mentioned and is referenced in the actual comics.

the team I mentioned is the original Alpha Flight, which debuted in Xmen 120 in 1979

Originally posted by Starscream M
nope dood...this team is first Flight, and they debuted in Alpha Flight Special #1 in 1992

the team I mentioned is the original Alpha Flight, which debuted in Xmen 120 in 1979

OMG..you seriously have to be kidding me. Alpha Flight special takes places BEFORE UXM #120. The publication date doesn't matter, as the chronology in the story establishes the events in the special predating #120. Do you seriously believe every comic released goes in a linear timeline?

My god you seriously are a troll, no way could anyone be this stupid.

Originally posted by Starscream M
actually, the team I listed was the true original team that debuted in XMen 120. puck, marrina, and talisman were all recruits.

The true original team is the one Wolverine led and is referenced to being Alpha Flight, as you look at the teams Wolverine was in...it's Alpha Flight. So your wrong...again.

Puck and Marrina joined the team when they officially became their own solo team. They wern't even going to call themselves Alpha Flight after the government ditched them, but in their first mission on their own Puck and Marrina were right with them and became original members of the NEW Alpha Flight.

Originally posted by -K-M-
OMG..you seriously have to be kidding me. Alpha Flight special takes places BEFORE UXM #120. The publication date doesn't matter, as the chronology in the story establishes the events in the special predating #120. Do you seriously believe every comic released goes in a linear timeline?

my point was that that team is not the original Alpha Flight, rather it was known as first flight.

anyways, I'm not trying to compete with you for the title of KMC's biggest Alpha Flight fan, so I don't want to drag out this semantic nonsense of what the original team is or is not. Even by the team you listed, I fail to see how they would be a threat at all to Superman (barring Tanaraq).

Originally posted by Starscream M
uhhhh I know that the special takes place before UXM...I never said otherwise

my point was that that team is not the original Alpha Flight, rather it was known as first flight.

anyways, I'm not trying to compete with you for the title of KMC's biggest Alpha Flight fan, so I don't want to drag out this semantic nonsense of what the original team is or is not. Even by the team you listed, I fail to see how they would be a threat at all to Superman (barring Tanaraq).

Then why did you even mention the publication dates, as the true original team is the one Wolverine elad.

Wrong again, that team is referenced being Alpha Flight even referenced in the handbooks to be such and in the Alpha Flight comics. READ THE COMICS!

Lulz, your an idiot.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Lulz, your an idiot.

Originally posted by Starscream M
notice how you keep stooping to insulting me and calling me names? I haven't done the same, cuz I'm mature.

Because you keep making ignorant comments, where even other people told you to stop as you clearly are showing you have no idea what your talking about. 😬

Your no worse then a troll 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
Because you keep making ignorant comments, where even other people told you to stop as you clearly are showing you have no idea what your talking about. 😬

Your no worse then a troll 😬

anyways, please stop the bashing, its unbecoming of you...

Originally posted by Starscream M
ignorant? cuz I thought superman was overpowering for the alpha flight...my mistake that I didn't read that you meant every member of alpha flight....which I admited was my fault.

anyways, please stop the bashing, its unbecoming of you...

Originally posted by -K-M-
Then why did you even mention the publication dates, as the true original team is the one Wolverine elad.

Wrong again, that team is referenced being Alpha Flight even referenced in the handbooks to be such and in the Alpha Flight comics. READ THE COMICS!

Reply to this.

Originally posted by llagrok
Reply to this.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ignorant? cuz I thought superman was overpowering for the alpha flight...my mistake that I didn't read that you meant every member of alpha flight....which I admited was my fault.

anyways, please stop the bashing, its unbecoming of you...

Lulz when asked about Alpha Flight with it's character and history you literally got everything wrong. So yes your comments were ignorant as they were both incorrent and faulty.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I mentioned issue numbers to clarify the appearances I was talking about

You mentioned issue numbers AND the publication date which was redundent and your basis for brining them up were incorrect 😬

Originally posted by Galan007
You missed the point [of my post at least]. I wasn't saying that Superman is incapable of traveling at ridiculous speeds in a relatively short distance/amount of time. I was just looking for clarification [in response to Soljer's initial post/figures] that Superman would in fact be able to reach c in a mere .5km [0.31 miles] - as the figures he gave, were based off of such.

In general though, I'd tend to agree with this:

Toss a coin. ermm

When it comes to travelling at C, I really do not know. I have scans of Superman breaking C speed (actually shows him moving faster and faster until he breaks it), and there are a bunch of scans that show the dude travelling much faster than C (although those are based on distance travelled over time taken).

Although travelling at C in an atmosphere would lead to ignition temperatures causing the immediate area vicinity to basicaly detonate .....killing everything within a large radius that is not invulnerable .....as well as other shock effects such as inverse vacuum pressures (during Viet Nam, the shocking effects of napalm were two ....there was the obvious gruesome burning caused by the gel burning on your skin, but there was a secondary effect that is nowadays the most useful effect of MODERN thermobaric weapons - since napalm was banned - .....the effect is that the explosion of the weapon, be it napalm or a modern fuel-air thermobaric is that a vacuum is formed, and as air rushes in to fill the vacuum it has horrible effects on anything living. In some cases, lungs are sucked out of people! So, if Superman was to move at certain high speeds, he would not even have to TOUCH you .....anything within a certain radius would either get FLASH BURNED, or get excessive vacuum pressure effects that are the next thing to hell).

Anyways, the thing is ....when it comes to this thread ....Superman doesn't need to travel at C. Any high speed, even at high supersonic ....without even going to hypersonic, meaning that he doesn't even have to go above mach 4, will make him traverse that distance faster than the fastest human synapse can move! Mach 4 is nothing ....he could move at hundreds of multiples of that at ease.

Also, in terms of THIS thread, whether or not he can break C is moot. It is why i brought up HOW he rescued Lois from a rifle bullet, at almost point blank, that had been fired at her while he was miles away .....and he managed to traverse that distance, catch the bullet before it hit Lois, and even protect her ears with cottonwool.

A rifle bullet moves at an excessively high FPS, and for a guy MILES away to intercept it when it is fired almost point blank says something about his speed.

And it also says that you don't want that guy half a mile away from you, because by the time your brain processes that the match is on, it can easily be over.

Whether or not he reaches C doesn't matter .....a movement at mach 4, mach 40, mach 400, C, or several multiples of C .....all of them will be far faster than the fastest synaptic movement.

Unsafe at any speed.

Originally posted by spetznaz
When it comes to travelling at C, I really do not know. I have scans of Superman breaking C speed (actually shows him moving faster and faster until he breaks it), and there are a bunch of scans that show the dude travelling much faster than C (although those are based on distance travelled over time taken).

Although travelling at C in an atmosphere would lead to ignition temperatures causing the immediate area vicinity to basicaly detonate .....killing everything within a large radius that is not invulnerable .....as well as other shock effects such as inverse vacuum pressures (during Viet Nam, the shocking effects of napalm were two ....there was the obvious gruesome burning caused by the gel burning on your skin, but there was a secondary effect that is nowadays the most useful effect of MODERN thermobaric weapons - since napalm was banned - .....the effect is that the explosion of the weapon, be it napalm or a modern fuel-air thermobaric is that a vacuum is formed, and as air rushes in to fill the vacuum it has horrible effects on anything living. In some cases, lungs are sucked out of people! So, if Superman was to move at certain high speeds, he would not even have to TOUCH you .....anything within a certain radius would either get FLASH BURNED, or get excessive vacuum pressure effects that are the next thing to hell).

Anyways, the thing is ....when it comes to this thread ....Superman doesn't need to travel at C. Any high speed, even at high supersonic ....without even going to hypersonic, meaning that he doesn't even have to go above mach 4, will make him traverse that distance faster than the fastest human synapse can move! Mach 4 is nothing ....he could move at hundreds of multiples of that at ease.

Also, in terms of THIS thread, whether or not he can break C is moot. It is why i brought up HOW he rescued Lois from a rifle bullet, at almost point blank, that had been fired at her while he was miles away .....and he managed to traverse that distance, catch the bullet before it hit Lois, and even protect her ears with cottonwool.

A rifle bullet moves at an excessively high FPS, and for a guy MILES away to intercept it when it is fired almost point blank says something about his speed.

And it also says that you don't want that guy half a mile away from you, because by the time your brain processes that the match is on, it can easily be over.

Whether or not he reaches C doesn't matter .....a movement at mach 4, mach 40, mach 400, C, or several multiples of C .....all of them will be far faster than the fastest synaptic movement.

Unsafe at any speed.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i don't think there is an issue of his speed here, imo superman is fast enough to do whatever he wants to do to shaman. my question is: is that enough for shaman to not let out a spell that will turn the tides of the fight since superman has a no-kill, no-maim policy? + superman isn't aware of the vast majority of shaman's magical abilities.

I'd say yes.

Superman would know that Shaman is a powerful spell-caster. Shama would know that Superman is a ....well ....dude with a long list of various powers.

They both know the basics ....they may not know the extent (scale and scope), but they know the basics.

When it comes to speed, thing is that Superman moving at a fraction's fraction of his top speed would still be moving faster than human synaptic movement (unless Shaman has truly superhuman levels of cognitive perception ....and i am not talking Captain America levels)

Superman could easily close half a mile in no time.

And i believe the rules (KMC) state that a characters are blood-lusted.

Again, are you sure standing 0.5 miles away from a bloodlusted Kryptonian is a prudent course of action?

For Shaman to win he would have to have pre-cast spells ....otherwise, if he is relying on shooting off a quick freeze/die/wilt/turn-into-yoghurt spell the moment the fight starts, he will lose.

The dude travelled many miles far faster than the time it took a rifle bullet to travel a couple feet .....and even had time to take care of Lois' ears before catching the bullet.

Without prepared spells, Shaman can be taken out in at least 3 ways before he even knows what happens.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Except Jeffries could BFR him, and set off an atomic bomb right in front of him (as Jeffries did to Tundra) which would seriously phase Superman. So no again.

I don't know what version of Supes you are using, but if you are going to belittle someone for ignorant comments, try not to make them yourself.

Supes has taken ground zero nukes while in kryptonite.

Please continue withyour debate now. 🙂

Originally posted by Avlon
I don't know what version of Supes you are using, but if you are going to belittle someone for ignorant comments, try not to make them yourself.

Supes has taken ground zero nukes while in kryptonite.

Please continue withyour debate now. 🙂

He has also been servely rocked from taking an atomic bomb without kyptonite before hence where my comment comes from. So how is that ignorant again? 😬 Also didn't another time leave him powerless temporally?

Also no way did I even say it would knock him out, but he definetly would feel it

"Shrush" ftw

Originally posted by spetznaz
I'd say yes.

Superman would know that Shaman is a powerful spell-caster. Shama would know that Superman is a ....well ....dude with a long list of various powers.

They both know the basics ....they may not know the extent (scale and scope), but they know the basics.

When it comes to speed, thing is that Superman moving at a fraction's fraction of his top speed would still be moving faster than human synaptic movement (unless Shaman has truly superhuman levels of cognitive perception ....and i am not talking Captain America levels)

Superman could easily close half a mile in no time.

And i believe the rules (KMC) state that a characters are blood-lusted.

Again, are you sure standing 0.5 miles away from a bloodlusted Kryptonian is a prudent course of action?

For Shaman to win he would have to have pre-cast spells ....otherwise, if he is relying on shooting off a quick freeze/die/wilt/turn-into-yoghurt spell the moment the fight starts, he will lose.

The dude travelled many miles far faster than the time it took a rifle bullet to travel a couple feet .....and even had time to take care of Lois' ears before catching the bullet.

Without prepared spells, Shaman can be taken out in at least 3 ways before he even knows what happens.

and since it's in a neutral, kmc flat battle room there aren't any loose objects for superman to bend around the arms of the shaman to secure them, whats he going to do?.....remember, no kiiilling 😛

Originally posted by -K-M-
He has also been servely rocked from taking an atomic bomb without kyptonite before hence where my comment comes from. So how is that ignorant again? 😬 Also didn't another time leave him powerless temporally?

Must be an old comic. I don't remember anything recent that shows such a thing. Especially considering that he's taken far stronger blasts than a nuke without flinching. By forum rules we usually take the higher more recent showings. Even by his average..his tolerance is far higher than a nuke.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Also no way did I even say it would knock him out, but he definetly would feel it

I never said he wouldn't feel it either.

Originally posted by Avlon
Must be an old comic. I don't remember anything recent that shows such a thing. Especially considering that he's taken far stronger blasts than a nuke without flinching. By forum rules we usually take the higher more recent showings. Even by his average..his tolerance is far higher than a nuke.

I never said he wouldn't feel it either.

I know the one was roughly seven years ago, and the one where he lost his powers may have been during the Bryne years. I wouldn't say his average is far higher then a nuke, as generally most of his oppoents don't drop nukes on him or dish out that kind of level of destruction

Gotcha, so how was my comment ignorant then?

Originally posted by Avlon
Must be an old comic. I don't remember anything recent that shows such a thing. Especially considering that he's taken far stronger blasts than a nuke without flinching. By forum rules we usually take the higher more recent showings. Even by his average..his tolerance is far higher than a nuke.

I never said he wouldn't feel it either.

During Hunter/PRey, Superman and Doomsday were both point blank of an explosion on apokolips equivilent to a million nukes.

He's also taken nukes or equivilent attacks or beyond on several other occasions.

The idea that Superman can smash planets/moons/planetoids with punches when he stops holding back, and a few are still able to stand and trade blows with him toe to toe, tells me they probably hit harder than nukes too.