Originally posted by Juntai
When Silver Banshee used her scream power on Superman, he said it was like a nuclear explosion, but remained unaffected.During Hunter/PRey, Superman and Doomsday were both point blank of an explosion on apokolips equivilent to a million nukes.
He's also taken nukes or equivilent attacks or beyond on several other occasions.
The idea that Superman can smash planets/moons/planetoids with punches when he stops holding back, and a few are still able to stand and trade blows with him toe to toe, tells me they probably hit harder than nukes too.
I took the Silver Banshee incident more of a hyperbole
Did it actually say that? I don't remember
Like?
Really? you think the likes of Metallo, Sharpenal, the Comedian, etc. can hit harder then nukes?
Originally posted by Starscream M
you're ignorant about superman's capabilities....you severely underestimate him
Except I have more Superman comics then I do Alpha Flight, and in the thread in the top 5 favorite comic characters who do you think was my number one favorite character? Take a wild guess, I know Superman and was asked to even redo his respect thread
Originally posted by -K-M-Of course it's hyperbole, since it's a comparison of a scream and a nuke[two rather unrelatable things being compared = hyperbole], however the effect is the same, the two got compared in sheer power.
I took the Silver Banshee incident more of a hyperboleDid it actually say that? I don't remember
Like?
Really? you think the likes of Metallo, Sharpenal, the Comedian, etc. can hit harder then nukes?
Yes, it said that.
How many instances do you need? I just named several on top of Avalon.
You expect me to take you serious when you say dumb shit like that? I clearly wasn't speaking of the lower spectrum of enemies. Hence why I said- When Supes stops holding back, and ' a few can still stand to toe to toe with him', obviously none of the three are in that category. Man up and debate correctly or concede the point. But don't patronize me.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I know the one was roughly seven years ago, and the one where he lost his powers may have been during the Bryne years. I wouldn't say his average is far higher then a nuke, as generally most of his oppoents don't drop nukes on him or dish out that kind of level of destructionGotcha, so how was my comment ignorant then?
Juntai pretty much answered it.
Originally posted by Juntai
When Silver Banshee used her scream power on Superman, he said it was like a nuclear explosion, but remained unaffected.During Hunter/PRey, Superman and Doomsday were both point blank of an explosion on apokolips equivilent to a million nukes.
He's also taken nukes or equivilent attacks or beyond on several other occasions.
The idea that Superman can smash planets/moons/planetoids with punches when he stops holding back, and a few are still able to stand and trade blows with him toe to toe, tells me they probably hit harder than nukes too.
Add things like double black holes, point blank explosion of the moon, being caught between colliding planets, not even noticing disintegration beams, taking the brunt of a sun eaters explosion (twice, once while nearly depowered), being tossed into a red sun, and taking magical blasts powerful enough to level a few islands (a few examples off the top of my head) and yes...his average is far higher than a nuke.
Originally posted by Avlon👆
Juntai pretty much answered it.Add things like double black holes, point blank explosion of the moon, being caught between colliding planets, not even noticing disintegration beams, taking the brunt of a sun eaters explosion (twice, once while nearly depowered), being tossed into a red sun, and taking magical blasts powerful enough to level a few islands (a few examples off the top of my head) and yes...his average is far higher than a nuke.
Originally posted by Juntai
Of course it's hyperbole, since it's a comparison of a scream and a nuke, however the effect is the same, the two got compared.Yes, it said that.
How many instances do you need? I just named several on top of Avalon.
You expect me to take you serious when you say dumb shit like that? I clearly wasn't speaking of the lower spectrum of enemies. Hence why I said- When Supes stops holding back, and ' a few can still stand to toe to toe with him', obviously none of the three are in that category. I don't take well to being patronized.
How are the effects the same? 😬
Where did it say? Just so I can check back, not doubting you (I believe you) as this is for my personal research
I have to check back on the Hunter Prey, but other then that those examples arn't that compelling (sans Avlon)
I wasn't patronizing you, but Superman has been taken to people who don't even come close to nuke busting feats. His average taking into account all his apperances is not taking nuke hits and shrugging them off.
Originally posted by Starscream M
prob sasquatch, based on how often you defend him, maybe with moon knight being a close second
Alpha Flight and Moon Knight didn't even make the top 5 (Moon Knight wouldn't even make it in my top 20), I don't even really like Moon Knight as I have said in other threads. I did the thread as he deserves more respect then he gets
Originally posted by Avlon
Add things like double black holes, point blank explosion of the moon, being caught between colliding planets, not even noticing disintegration beams, taking the brunt of a sun eaters explosion (twice, once while nearly depowered), being tossed into a red sun, and taking magical blasts powerful enough to level a few islands (a few examples off the top of my head) and yes...his average is far higher than a nuke.
Those are his high showings, like I could go off on all his low showings which would drastically bring those averages down. I like Superman but his average is not taking nukes on average as he like the Flash is "dumbed" down in majority of his apperances. Like SUperman is a super genius, but how often is that ignored? It's a shame, but it's ignored all the time
Originally posted by -K-M-thats cuz theres a heavy amount of PIS involved with Superman, without it, SUperman would pretty much demolish his enemiesI wasn't patronizing you, but Superman has been taken to people who don't even come close to nuke busting feats. His average taking into account all his apperances is not taking nuke hits and shrugging them off.
also, the average showing of Flash has him tagged by much slower folks, but that doesn't mean Flash's speed isn't incredible, does it?
Originally posted by Starscream M
thats cuz theres a heavy amount of PIS involved with Superman, without it, SUperman would pretty much demolish his enemiesalso, the average showing of Flash has him tagged by much slower folks, but that doesn't mean Flash's speed isn't incredible, does it?
Hence why his average is lower then taking a nuke on a regular basis. As I mentioned most of his abilities are ignored like he has sonic abilities, but that's a rare ability he uses. Majority of his apperances make him dumbed down. It's a shame, but his average in his comics don't have him shrugging off nukes all the time.
and you missed the point entirely 😬
Originally posted by -K-M-
Alpha Flight and Moon Knight didn't even make the top 5 (Moon Knight wouldn't even make it in my top 20), I don't even really like Moon Knight as I have said in other threads. I did the thread as he deserves more respect then he getsThose are his high showings, like I could go off on all his low showings which would drastically bring those averages down. I like Superman but his average is not taking nukes on average as he like the Flash is "dumbed" down in majority of his apperances. Like SUperman is a super genius, but how often is that ignored? It's a shame, but it's ignored all the time
Even with kryptonite and a nuke Superman still had the power and speed to contain every single particle and toss it into the sun.
Oh, and if we did that to Superman, it can be done to every other character as well, bringing EVERYONE'S average way down.
Seeing as Superman's highest feats are when he stops holding back (perfect for KMC rules) I wouldn't worry too much about it. Plus he has tons and tons of high showings to counteract practically any low showing (most which are pretty old anyway...)
Somehow I don't see Nuke as being the middle ground between black hole and gas station.
Originally posted by Avlon
Even with kryptonite and a nuke Superman still had the power and speed to contain every single particle and toss it into the sun.Oh, and if we did that to Superman, it can be done to every other character as well, bringing EVERYONE'S average way down.
Seeing as Superman's highest feats are when he stops holding back (perfect for KMC rules) I wouldn't worry too much about it. Plus he has tons and tons of high showings to counteract practically any low showing (most which are pretty old anyway...)
I know hence why I said his average is not taking nuke blasts. Can he? Yes, as showed but there have been times where he can't and has been hurt by weaker attacks. Generally I go by if he repeats a high showing more then once I go by that. So yeah I definetly think he can take a nuke as I mentioned earlier, but I think he would feel it. Not be knocked out (or close to it), but he would feel it.
Definetly, but even in his recent comics he is dumbed down. In Up, up, and away he was showing his genius intellect which really got me excited as I thought that was a great rendition of Superman. Then shortly after that arc he was getting owned by Livewire 🙁
Originally posted by -K-M-
I know hence why I said his average is not taking nuke blasts. Can he? Yes, as showed but there have been times where he can't and has been hurt by weaker attacks. Generally I go by if he repeats a high showing more then once I go by that. So yeah I definetly think he can take a nuke as I mentioned earlier, but I think he would feel it. Not be knocked out (or close to it), but he would feel it.
He'll see, hear, and feel it, but nope...not even close to ko'd. My scans show pretty much how useless a nuke is on him.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Definetly, but even in his recent comics he is dumbed down. In Up, up, and away he was showing his genius intellect which really got me excited as I thought that was a great rendition of Superman. Then shortly after that arc he was getting owned by Livewire 🙁
High end characters are dumbed down and low end are made to pull miraculous things in order to try and even things out. That's nothing new in the world of storytelling. By forum rules though, we try and cut the fat off the silly and go with what the characters are capable of.
Originally posted by Avlon
He's see, hear, and feel it, but nope...not even close to ko'd. My scans show pretty much how useless a nuke is on him.High end characters are dumbed down and low end are made to pull miraculous things in order to try and even things out. that's nothing new in the world of storytelling. By forum rules though, we try and cut the fat off the silly and go with what the characters are capable of.
Aye, I agree
Like Flash is a character that is dumbed down way to often (He;s actually my 2nd favorite character too 🙁)and yeah I know the rules I just don't agree with the comment with Superman's average is shrugging off nukes as he is dumbed down way more then his high showings though. I don't take incidents like the gas station exploding to serious though.
Shaman from The Authority?
Shaman.
LoL @ "Superman can speed blitz him." How come he didn't speed blitz The Shaggy Man? Or Doomsday? Or Batman? Or Hulk? Or Captain Marvel? Or Thor? Or Magog? Or Ra's Al Ghul? Or The White Martians? Or Prometheus? Or Orion? Or that Starfish thingy? Or 4-D? Or any of the Ultramarines? Or Superman 1M? Or any of Justice League Alpha?
Because Superman RARELY, if EVER, just leaps into battle. That's Thor's job.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
sure, but the essence of Kal-el is a peace keeper, killing a man in is out of the question for him, and that always applies unless stated otherwise.and since it's in a neutral, kmc flat battle room there aren't any loose objects for superman to bend around the arms of the shaman to secure them, whats he going to do?.....remember, no kiiilling 😛
i) KMC rules stipulate bloodlusted. In comics Superman has been shown bloodlusted a couple of times (e.g. the Superman/Wonderwoman fight), and when he has been depicted as thus the guy has been a beast.
ii) Are you really telling me that a person who can simply crush even the valency bonds in molecules would have to find some object to wrap around Shaman's arms? When he could simply crush those bones to dust?
iii) There are worse things that Superman could do .....worse than killing.
Anyways, semantic run-arounds aside, my point is that Superman would be able to harm Shaman (based on actual feat depictions of speed) before Shaman could even make one move (unless he has Flash like perceptions, meaning he could then be able to get a drop of Kal). My point is also that Superman would close the distance before Shaman could even think (with the only way of getting around that being either having reaction as fast or faster than Kal's, or have some level of battlefield preparation ...e.g. pre-cast spells). My point is also that Superman has at least 3 ways I can think of of taking out Shaman before he can even think, and of those three ways only ONE of them requires Superman to move (in the other 2 he would not even have to lift a finger).
The rest is just semantics.
The only way Shaman would win is by having pre-cast spells, and that is not within KMC guidelines.
Otherwise, per KMC rules, I still maintain that one of the things you do not want to face up against is a bloodlusted Kryptonian standing only half a mile from you.
That is a losing strategy right there! Unless your name is Flash or Thanos or one of a list of people who could do that and win.
Sadly, Shaman's name is not on that list!
