both arguments are heavily flawed.
Surfer's been 'tagged' usually as a result of his trying to engage the opponent in dialogue or just "playing possum" and letting them think they've got one over him (because he's a pacifist and doesn't mind looking like he's losing, if it prevents a battle).
as for "lights out", if Tenebreous couldn't get the job done (and he whacked a small moon in the process) I very much doubt Trion will do it with one shot.
stalemate/edge to Surfer. nothing else happening.
Originally posted by janus77norrin would try and get cain out of his berserker state before actually engaging him in a fight.
both arguments are heavily flawed.Surfer's been 'tagged' usually as a result of his trying to engage the opponent in dialogue or just "playing possum" and letting them think they've got one over him (because he's a pacifist and doesn't mind looking like he's losing, if it prevents a battle).
as for "lights out", if Tenebreous couldn't get the job done (and he whacked a small moon in the process) I very much doubt Trion will do it with one shot.
stalemate/edge to Surfer. nothing else happening.
juggernaut wasn't in control of his actions in trion state and surfer would recognize that after fixing a couple dimensional tears juggy, must be stopped before he causes more space/time damage.
Surfer can do that very well from a distance, he's far far faaaaar too fast for Cain/Juggernaut to ever lay a hand on. and it would only take a cursory scan of Trion's mind for Surfer to deem him a threat deserving of extreme caution.
think of this, Deathurge couldn't land a blow on Surfer, when he didn't want him to... what's Trion gonna do?
oh, what if Surfer tried to separate Trion from Cain, on the astral plane, whilst keeping his body intangible or in the microverse?
Originally posted by The Great Galen
SS can't land any decisive blows while Trion couldnt catch him, I could see that argument working except SS is constantly hit by guys slower then himself. Thor, Thanos,Black panther and even venom have all managed to tag him in the past so I dont see why Trion couldnt....plus when trion does tag him its lights out for norin.
Originally posted by janus77
sorry but that's rather flimsy evidence for such a high placing of the character.as I mentioned before, Hulk has smashed through the time stream, and without much effort.
nothing in the scans suggested 'universe wrecking' powers, nor do we see any conceivable offensive range-attacks. basically even if he had the might of a Galactus, he still hasn't shown any mobility or projectile attacks so Surfer's basically gonna stalemate him for eternity. nothing he can do to Surfer, unless Surfer permits it.
as for feats of endurance, I'd say taking a pounding from Tenebreous or Aegis and surviving ranks higher than the GodBlast.
for one thing, these are creatures in Galactus' tier, rather than Skyfather/high herald levels. for another, Surfer can completely regenerate from the ambient power cosmic, given time, so whatever Trion does, Surfer just needs to lie on his board and have it transport him out of reach of Trion, then recover from the injuries sustained...
I can't see Trion winning, it'd be reaching in the extreme to suggest Surfer wouldn't stalemate him.
You do know that surfer almost died when tenebreous hit him with a moon busting punch. His body was wrecked and he was disgruntled. Punching through time stream punches>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>moon busting punches.
And how can you say trion wont touch him when people like hulk has tagged him without much effort. By the way can you show me hulk punching through a time stream, I would love to see this feat.
Theres nothing that surfer could do to trion. Trion easily 10/10
Originally posted by janus77
both arguments are heavily flawed.Surfer's been 'tagged' usually as a result of his trying to engage the opponent in dialogue or just "playing possum" and letting them think they've got one over him (because he's a pacifist and doesn't mind looking like he's losing, if it prevents a battle).
as for "lights out", if Tenebreous couldn't get the job done (and he whacked a small moon in the process) I very much doubt Trion will do it with one shot.
stalemate/edge to Surfer. nothing else happening.
So youre comparing a moon busting feat to a dimension destroying feat. WOW.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Flash and Supes get tagged all the time too, does that mean that guys like Jugg's and Hulk should be able to get punches in on them in a forum fight?
If its happened on panel then I dont see why it should change on a forum fight. The difference with the flash and superman thing is that Superman goes h2h with his opponents, the people that flash fight either luck in and get a lick or they basically just land a single good lick on him. Bricks struggle to fight flash, bricks actually go h2h with superman and land almost every blow and silver surfer isnt any different.
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that surfer almost died when tenebreous hit him with a moon busting punch. His body was wrecked and he was disgruntled. Punching through time stream punches>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>moon busting punches.And how can you say trion wont touch him when people like hulk has tagged him without much effort. By the way can you show me hulk punching through a time stream, I would love to see this feat.
Theres nothing that surfer could do to trion. Trion easily 10/10
Originally posted by janus77
Surfer can do that very well from a distance, he's far far faaaaar too fast for Cain/Juggernaut to ever lay a hand on. and it would only take a cursory scan of Trion's mind for Surfer to deem him a threat deserving of extreme caution.think of this, Deathurge couldn't land a blow on Surfer, when he didn't want him to... what's Trion gonna do?
oh, what if Surfer tried to separate Trion from Cain, on the astral plane, whilst keeping his body intangible or in the microverse?
Prove that surfer can do something like that against someone as powerful as trion who is surfers superior. Again, thats all it takes is one single punch and the fight is done and that punch should permanently kill surfer, wipe him from existence.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Sure there is, what would Jugg's do if Surfer sent him into the far future? I know he was supposed to be tearing down the walls of time and space with his punches but did he ever use the ability to actually time travel?
Im quite sure that trion has the ability to teleport. Didnt cytorrak teleport juggernaut when thor sent him to another dimension.
Originally posted by carver9
If its happened on panel then I dont see why it should change on a forum fight. The difference with the flash and superman thing is that Superman goes h2h with his opponents, the people that flash fight either luck in and get a lick or they basically just land a single good lick on him. Bricks struggle to fight flash, bricks actually go h2h with superman and land almost every blow and silver surfer isnt any different.
Originally posted by carver9
Prove that surfer can do something like that against someone as powerful as trion who is surfers superior. Again, thats all it takes is one single punch and the fight is done and that punch should permanently kill surfer, wipe him from existence.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Teleportation and time travel are two different things. Did he ever actually travel through time in a controlled manner?
Well Im guessing that since he did travel to a different universe (I think it was dark horse, I forgot the name of the team that he was on) and traveled back to the marvel universe that he should have the ability to time travel. Trion is the embodiment of cytorrak and again he has been put of galactus level so Im guessing that he does have that ability. Traveling from one universe to the other should be a answer for that question.
Originally posted by leonidas👆
if tom thought he was more powerful that's good enough for me. still see no way he ever hits ss let alone beats him. not sure what ss could do offensively to him though so . . .as most juggs matches -- stalemate or ss wins via bfr.
Originally posted by darthgooberThe ramifications of Juggy's dimensional 'attacks' tore a hole through local space and time. Said 'attacks' created a rift which continued expanding for an unknown amount of time, and showed no signs of stopping. Kinda like a mini chaos wave, from the sounds of it:
Sure there is, what would Jugg's do if Surfer sent him into the far future? I know he was supposed to be tearing down the walls of time and space with his punches but did he ever use the ability to actually time travel?
So, could Juggy have used his dimension-busting powers to time travel? Absolutely. Did he do so on panel? Nope. Truth be told, we have no idea which dimension(s) he actually broke into.
srug.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I understand that you don't have a problem with the idea of guys like Hulk and Jugg's getting their licks in against speedsters, but unless I'm mistaken GG DOES(at least in regards to guys like Supes). I was just making sure the same standard was being applied.
I just go by on panel feats, why put up scans if other things that is on panel is thrown out the window. If you cant put up scans showing surfer, superman, wonderwoman, etc... being hit by bricks then I dont think that its right that anyone put up scans showing superman taking solar system blasts, or thor damaging a celestial, or surfer controlling the crunch. We go by on panel feats, thats the point of debating but when you have the ability to throw certain on panel feats that has been happening for decades out the window then that where the problem start to happen.
Just my opinion though.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆The ramifications of Juggy's dimensional 'attacks' tore a hole through local space and time. Said 'attacks' created a rift which continued expanding for an unknown amount of time, and showed no signs of stopping. Kinda like a mini chaos wave, from the sounds of it:
So, could Juggy have used his dimension-busting powers to time travel? Absolutely. Did he do so on panel? Nope. Truth be told, we have no idea which dimension(s) he actually broke into.
srug.
Good post
Originally posted by carver9
Well Im guessing that since he did travel to a different universe (I think it was dark horse, I forgot the name of the team that he was on) and traveled back to the marvel universe that he should have the ability to time travel. Trion is the embodiment of cytorrak and again he has been put of galactus level so Im guessing that he does have that ability. Traveling from one universe to the other should be a answer for that question.
Traveling to a different universe is still different than time travel. If Surfer sends Jugg's to the future and Jugg's punches his way into another universe, he's still BFR'd. Thor was still teleporting to things like other dimensions long after he lost his ability to actually travel through time.
Originally posted by carver9
It wasnt trion that thor fought, it was eigth day juggernaut who didnt even have a percentage of trions power and he humiliated thor and the exemplers quite easily.Lets not forget, thor and surfers are equals.
Originally posted by carver9
I just go by on panel feats, why put up scans if other things that is on panel is thrown out the window. If you cant put up scans showing surfer, superman, wonderwoman, etc... being hit by bricks then I dont think that its right that anyone put up scans showing superman taking solar system blasts, or thor damaging a celestial, or surfer controlling the crunch. We go by on panel feats, thats the point of debating but when you have the ability to throw certain on panel feats that has been happening for decades out the window then that where the problem start to happen.Just my opinion though.
Originally posted by Galan007
The ramifications of Juggy's dimensional 'attacks' tore a hole through local space and time. Said 'attacks' created a rift which continued expanding for an unknown amount of time, and showed no signs of stopping. Kinda like a mini chaos wave, from the sounds of it:So, could Juggy have used his dimension-busting powers to time travel? Absolutely. Did he do so on panel? Nope. Truth be told, we have no idea which dimension(s) he actually broke into.
srug.
