Trion has absolutely no chance of hitting surfer if surfer does not want him too. Against deathurge surfer showed how fast he can be in battle if he really wants to let go. Usually against bricks like hulk surfer holds back immensely and tries to talk them out of fighting. In almost all his fights he first tries the dialogue approach before he starts fighting. Evn when he satrts fighting he still holds back so as not to cause huge destruction or kill his opponent.. Surfer cant win if he tries to ko trion thats for sure but BFR is a very valid option. HE can teleport trion far into the future or past. Trion certainly does not have the general knowledge of time and space to be able to properly navigate himself back to the original time period. HE would just keep punching from dimension to dimension not knowing the time period he is in.
You already said that the reason you can see Jugg's tagging Surfer is that other characters have done it because Surfer rarely uses speed in combat right? But now you're saying that Jugg's is going to have his forcefield(which he almost never uses) up to keep his helmet from being removed? It seems to me that you're trying to have it both ways here. Either both use things that are rarely seen which means that Surfer can't hurt Jugg's but Jugg's will be completely unable to hit Surfer and Norrin will eventually win via BFR, or they don't use those things and Surfer can still win via BFR, but can also win using sonics or telepathy.
I didnt use my statement against surfer about jugz forcefield, I was basically saying that the only reason nimrod was able to even do anything against juggernaut was due to the fact that his helmet was removed. We both know that juggernaut dont use his force field (which he should but he really dont need it), thats why I NEVER used it in this debate because honestly the guy really dont need it since his hide is invulnerable enough.
I agree, if I cant bring up the tagging thing with surfer then I sure as hell shouldnt be bringing up juggernaut forcefield but juggernaut has already walked through damage that even the mightiest beings would fall to, without his forcefield aiding him. I also agree that surfer ONLY option is bfring, I never argued against that point.
Where was it specifically stated that Trion Jugg's was more durable than regular Jugg's?
Im guessing that since he was 100's of time stronger then him and cytorrak is the embodiment of true invulnerability and strength and along with professor stating that the only way he could slow trion down was him going to astral form that there was no other way of stopping him. Also think about it like this, Juggernaut is already in hulks and thor league of strength (I actually consider him stronger since on panel it has stated numerous of times that he have unlimited strength) but during the early time that he was transforming into trion his strength was increased so high that he was punching through dimensions and he was still growing in power. So if his strength was increasing to my guess his durability should have been increasing also.
You'd be surprised actually. Thor's ran of Celestials before and I don't really see that happening for Galactus if at the time Galactus is so weak that he needs Thor and Hercules's help to beat Ego
I would never be surprise enough to ever think that thor is even partial of galactus might. I understand that he help take on ego along with herc but thats not a high end feat since gladiator stalemated ego and beta ray bill also gave ego a run for his money. Ego is a powerful character but he has never proven to me (besides him actually fighting galactus which thanos has done also) that he on galactus level. The planet has trouble fighting top tiers.