Bob Lee Swagger versus Batman

Originally posted by Bardock42

Pretty much.

He hasn't really shown in the movie to be of that caliber. He's good, but if people hadn't chosen to shoot a meter behind him instead of in his face he'd be dead.

W-why would he be familiar with his fighting style? Bruce Wayne knew multiple forms of Kung Fu (and who knows what else) BEFORE he was trained by the league of Shadows, and I doubt there is any known record of his style anywhere, why would he know? You are making Swagger out to be a sort of Batman (he certainly hasn't shown such capabilities in the movie) ... [/B]

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why? Why would you say that? I never said they were trained to fight with weapons, I never implied it, never thought it, neither of us were even discussing it. The whole premise was that the boxer was unarmed.

So why would you even bring that up? It was never part of the discussion, ever, at any point.

No, you asked me who was going to win in a very matter-of-factly sense, and then when I successfully countered you, you spent (and are spending) an extraordinary amount of time tying yourself in knots. Just stop it, RJ. We've established that it's not out of the question for a boxer to win, so there it can be dropped, right? Good.

I'm not being "anal" about thread conditions. You expressed conditions that were glaringly incorrect, I corrected you. That's not anal.

Like who? I've seen all the movies in question, so you obviously can't be speaking of me. Unless you are pissed that we saw the movie about a man who's just an elite sniper and don't feel that, based on this, he could be Batman.

So you definitely know enough of Batman, and we definitely don't know enough of Swagger, because we disagree? Do you want to go for the gold medal in hypocritical olympics, or is the silver and bronze enough so far?

Al Ghul is way more trained in way more lethal abilities.

-AC

Taking looks at the early pages of this thread, it confirms you actually do not want to be convinced, but you just want to think of Batman losing for some reason.

Every post was legitimate reasons for Swagger losing, and all you did was reply with one liners regarding "Dead Knight", "Dead Bat" or some other silly variation.

You obviously have some kind of Batman vendetta.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Taking looks at the early pages of this thread, it confirms you actually do not want to be convinced, but you just want to think of Batman losing for some reason.

Every post was legitimate reasons for Swagger losing, and all you did was reply with one liners regarding "Dead Knight", "Dead Bat" or some other silly variation.

You obviously have some kind of Batman vendetta.

-AC

Did you ever answer me when I asked who has movie Batman really faced? Anyone with Swaggers training or his awesome array of weaponry?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

Also that the non trained individual has a greater chance of winning.

I do doubt that. In fact, I'd think this is what would happen the majority of times a fight like that was made:

Except for that, you are pretending that Swagger is some kind of Bullseyeesque figure, he is a good Sniper (though usually when people are confused and don't know where he is). And I suppose he is a good shooter in general as well, but he doesn't really have shown anything that would imply that he could shoot Batman who knows where he is and is trying to avoid it with all his training. Swagger did well against a bunch of clueless henchman that ran into his traps (though he had extreme luck). And yes, I propose that Batman is way, way, WAYYYY harder to hit than the helicopter he took down. Way harder.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I do doubt that. In fact, I'd think this is what would happen the majority of times a fight like that was made:

Except for that, you are pretending that Swagger is some kind of Bullseyeesque figure, he is a good Sniper (though usually when people are confused and don't know where he is). And I suppose he is a good shooter in general as well, but he doesn't really have shown anything that would imply that he could shoot Batman who knows where he is and is trying to avoid it with all his training. Swagger did well against a bunch of clueless henchman that ran into his traps (though he had extreme luck). And yes, I propose that Batman is way, way, WAYYYY harder to hit than the helicopter he took down. Way harder.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Um......Swagger ran into THEIR traps. And escaped unscathed, if you missed that part. And he took down TWO choppers, not one. Not to mention wave after wave of bad guys.

I think you are overremembering his feats.

I think I will watch the movie again tonight (though, frankly, I think it was nothing special, a bit chliched even" to get back to you, but as far as I recall, he was good, but not that good.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you are overremembering his feats.

I think I will watch the movie again tonight (though, frankly, I think it was nothing special, a bit chliched even" to get back to you, but as far as I recall, he was good, but not that good.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think you are overremembering his feats.

I think I will watch the movie again tonight (though, frankly, I think it was nothing special, a bit chliched even" to get back to you, but as far as I recall, he was good, but not that good.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You could just watch the youtube vids I posted on page one.

I did, that's what confirmed my thoughts on it. So I figured I'd watch it again, cause I doubt you are a liar, I do think that you are delusional, but maybe you got a point, though, not really.

B, you say the sweetest things to me.

Originally posted by Placidity
In the movie though, Bat's hasn't shown that he has air insertion capabilities. I'm guessing that he would go in by Batmobile, which would have tech to detect explosives/ mines/what have you. His Batmobile can also go invisible, so Bob wouldn't even see him coming. Again, he might hear him when he drives closer to his position. But at that point, everything is in Batman's favour.

Also - Where in the movie has Swagger shown to be adept at counter-intel?

Originally posted by Placidity
Also - Where in the movie has Swagger shown to be adept at counter-intel?

It says he is, watch it again. Danny glover says so. I'll get the scene number for you when I get home.

I swear the man thinks he's seen a different movie than we have.

-AC

Have I now? Lookie Lookie:

YouTube video

If you notice 2:50 into the video, Batman tries his little sneak attack from above. He falls in the garbage and lands like a quadriplegic on his ass. He is then pistol whipped AND shot twice. The only reason he lived was because the villain's were morons who decided not to finish him off, they decided to remove his mask.

Swagger would NOT make that mistake, he would ensure the kill from afar.

Also, in case some of you are questioning the weaponry Swagger would use, here:

The Barrett M82A1 -M107 .50 BMG http://www.vincelewis.net/rifle.html

Heckler & Koch G36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_G36

M18A1 Claymore Antipersonnel Mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine

Glock pistol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_18

Pay special attention to the power and range of the sniper rifle, and the rate of fire and magazine capacity of the G-36.

Not to mention Swagger is a tough as nails Marine who escaped several police units and an aerial search with two bullet holes in him.

If the IDIOTS in the video managed to land two torso shots on Batman, surely Swagger would be able to land far more, after all, he IS a trained killer and one of the best shots in the world.

Any questions?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If you notice 2:50 into the video, Batman tries his little sneak attack from above. He falls in the garbage and lands like a quadriplegic on his ass. He is then pistol whipped AND shot twice. The only reason he lived was because the villain's were morons who decided not to finish him off, they decided to remove his mask.

You could say that about the protagonist of any movie, though. I could say that if Swagger had competent people after him, he'd be dead, it works both ways. The difference is, Batman has fought the League of Shadows, far more elite and far more trained than Swagger is.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger would NOT make that mistake, he would ensure the kill from afar.

So again, if you're so sure of that, why are you even here? What purpose is being served with this thread? You've stated that you can't be convinced, and nobody is wrong or right. Despite being radically outnumbered by everyone, you insist on saying "Nah, you're all wrong.". What are you trying to achieve? You think Swagger would win, alright, well done. Now what?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Also, in case some of you are questioning the weaponry Swagger would use, here:

The Barrett M82A1 -M107 .50 BMG http://www.vincelewis.net/rifle.html

Heckler & Koch G36 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_&_Koch_G36

M18A1 Claymore Antipersonnel Mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine

Glock pistol http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_18

Pay special attention to the power and range of the sniper rifle, and the rate of fire and magazine capacity of the G-36.

Not to mention Swagger is a tough as nails Marine who escaped several police units and an aerial search with two bullet holes in him.

Lowly criminals escape the police, it's not hard. I'm from East London, people escape the police here every day. Secondly, Batman has survived injuries too, what's the point?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If the IDIOTS in the video managed to land two torso shots on Batman, surely Swagger would be able to land far more, after all, he IS a trained killer and one of the best shots in the world.

Any questions?

Yeah, I have a couple.

Why pick out an obligatory scene where he gets a bit beat down (As any hero does, Swagger even got wounded), and scenes where Swagger is shooting people? Why not pick out the scenes where Batman is using stealth that borders on the supernatural to avoid his opponents, beating them, or the countless other conflicts he's won?

Also, why name all those weapons? How many hands does he have? He's not an octopus.

Cos you're biased. You have a personal grudge against Batman I think, or a personal preference toward Swagger. You obviously feel Swagger would win, despite the countering arguments of anyone here, because you don't wanna be convinced, nor will you ever be.

So what are we achieving here?

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You could say that about the protagonist of any movie, though. I could say that if Swagger had competent people after him, he'd be dead, it works both ways. The difference is, Batman has fought the League of Shadows, far more elite and far more trained than Swagger is.

So again, if you're so sure of that, why are you even here? What purpose is being served with this thread? You've stated that you can't be convinced, and nobody is wrong or right. Despite being radically outnumbered by everyone, you insist on saying "Nah, you're all wrong.". What are you trying to achieve? You think Swagger would win, alright, well done. Now what?

Lowly criminals escape the police, it's not hard. I'm from East London, people escape the police here every day. Secondly, Batman has survived injuries too, what's the point?

Wounds? What kind of wounds? A little claw to his ribs? Being buried in sand? Don't make me laugh.

Yeah, I have a couple.

Why pick out an obligatory scene where he gets a bit beat down (As any hero does, Swagger even got wounded), and scenes where Swagger is shooting people? Why not pick out the scenes where Batman is using stealth that borders on the supernatural to avoid his opponents, beating them, or the countless other conflicts he's won?

Also, why name all those weapons? How many hands does he have? He's not an octopus.

Batman has his gear, Swagger has his. Problem? Oh yeah, Swagger has too much to throw at Batman and you don't like it, right?

Cos you're biased. You have a personal grudge against Batman I think, or a personal preference toward Swagger. You obviously feel Swagger would win, despite the countering arguments of anyone here, because you don't wanna be convinced, nor will you ever be.

So what are we achieving here?

-AC

Wow....just wow....

Just watched the dark knight,

and if we are talking about TDK Bats vs Shooter

Then Batman def takes it, some of the shit he does in this movie is unreal.

Anything else to add?