Hal Jordan and Sinestro vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by janus77
that showing was by way of Symmetric Chaos' attempt at showing how proficient the shields were. there are other feats/fights I've seen where the "auto shield" has proven similarly ... underwhelming.

and there are plenty where its pretty impressive...

you're just offering blanket denials... "no he can't energy drain", when there's on-panel evidence and a history of Surfer draining energies from characters across the spectrum upto high herald (and in a couple of cases beyond).

has he ever encountered energy like that used by a green lantern or sinestro corps member? how is he going to drain both before either man can react?

24hrs is how much the ring can power in optimal circumstances, no? if i'm not mistaken, the greater the energy usage, the faster the ring goes down.

it takes massive amounts of usage to drain it.

Surfer still has superior versatility to them, they rely on a ring and its slower on-board computer, Surfer does things instantaneously via CA/thought. he out races the speed of thought.

CA, imo, is overrated, and the ring is fast enough. might not be as fast as norrin, but it can keep up...

Surfer's still significantly more durable, more powerful ...

lanterns can amp strength and durability to a fair degree...

given his speeds and reactions, 2 rings won't mean twice the power per attack, but more likely just 2 points of attack to avoid - which is perfectly within Surfer's powers.

honest question, so don't take this the wrong way... how much green lantern have you read?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you're going to completely ignore the way Surfer actually fights based on a handful of examples where he uses his power in a different way? Surfer is not fast enough, GLs are extremely fast and most of the time their shields raise to block effects automatically, they've allowed them to survive attacks from incredibly powerful foes.

You're arguing off high feats which is CBR, not KMC.

Nobody is arguing off high feats. Also if we were to use the way Characters actually fight in comics, hulk would be able to match up very well with superman. High feats are feats performed that are normally beyond the regular abilities of the character. This howvwer has nothing to do with a character making a decision to abstain from using his powers fully no matter the reason. ON KMC surfer and other characters like superman and evn GLs are aloud to use their powers to the fullest.

Also surfer absorbing the enrgy of another competent enrgy manipulator is not a high feat as he is usually successful when he chooses to employ this tactic. Its not a high feat but rather a regular NON jobbing surfer feat. Howver i still dont think surfer can drain the gl rings.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's completely ridiculous. Surfer doesn't even come close to having a speed advantage like that or the capacity to drain the quickly or the mindset to use that sort of tactic.

Not that speed alone wins the contest. But Surfer is still superior in strength, durability, versatility, energy output, energy absorption and absorption defense. And Surfer doesn't share in any of the Lantern's exploitable weaknesses. Neither Hal, nor Sinestro have done anything to put themselves on Surfer's level.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
While I won't argue the drainage issue, even if Surfer comes out vastly superior in both offense and defense in that area, Surfer does have the speed advantage here. Lanterns have zero scans regarding FTL thought or reflexes. In fact, they have scans that clearly show they do not have such speed. While Surfer does.

Not that speed alone wins the contest. But Surfer is still superior in strength, durability, versatility, energy output, energy absorption and absorption defense. And Surfer doesn't share in any of the Lantern's exploitable weaknesses. Neither Hal, nor Sinestro have done anything to put themselves on Surfer's level.

your 'exploitable weaknesses' were shaky, imo...

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
But Surfer is still superior in strength, durability, versatility, energy output, energy absorption and absorption defense. And Surfer doesn't share in any of the Lantern's exploitable weaknesses. Neither Hal, nor Sinestro have done anything to put themselves on Surfer's level.

Pure conjecture.

Posting the same argument for 16 pages, and ignoring every counter argument, doesn't make you right. Sorry 🙁

Hal and Sinestro still win 10/10.

^ And the sock goes on ignore list.

Originally posted by Raoul
your 'exploitable weaknesses' were shaky, imo...

When you have a foe like Silver Surfer, who is superior in speed (both travelling, thought and reflexes), strength, durability, versatility, energy output, energy absorption and absorption defense, nothing less than the best of Hal's and Sinestro's willpower will suffice. I mean... look how nonchalantly post-exiled Surfer has embarassed Quasar and Legacy and how post-Annihilation Surfer stomped on the likes of Ravenous' and Nova's best. These two gotta kick it up a notch waaay past them and that doesn't come without a price. Namely, the two exploitable weaknesses. Until I see more of Hal and Sinestro to bring them closer to Surfer's level, that's my two cents.

This thread has run its course. Neither side is willing to listen or respect each other. Closed before there are warnings and bans.