Originally posted by janus77Hulk cannot manipulate his gamma energies. He can only draw more gamma radiation into his body. Hulk has no way of fighting off Surfer's draining of it. Hal and Sinestro both are experienced manipulators of their respective energies. They can fight against someone trying to drain them... I think. Although, have they fought any opponent that has tried to drain their energies? Because I can only recall Manhunters draining them and they can't resist that. Either way, Manhunters possess enhanced technology specifically targeted towards those energies. Unless you have scans where a competent energy wielder has drained Green or Yellow Lanterns of their powers, it's pure speculation that Silver Surfer could replicate such effects.
was just looking at a scan where Surfer drained Hulk back down to Banner, whilst blocking a punch from Hulk.also, in one of the cross-overs, Surfer has shown the ability to contain all the Oan energies in the central battery...
as for the lack of drainage with other characters, it's quite simple imo, he just never thinks it necessary. he's taken the Power Cosmic from other Heralds, because he deems them troublesome enough (Dominas for instance), he can clearly manipulate Odinforce, in effect bestowing it upon BRB so that's one that I think is arguably there to be absorbed/drained.
the Q Bands, I think they're supposed to be the inverse of the power cosmic, so perhaps he can't effect them but it has been stated that Galactus can absorb the negative zone so perhaps ...
If this was the Silver Surfer from the Green Lantern/Silver Surfer crossover... then yes he could do so. But this is current Silver Surfer. And that's a non-canon source. Also, while I never read the Dominas fight (do you have scans?), that is from the MC2 universe in the future. Surfer could have gone through any number of changes in the future to explain that. Furthermore, Silver Surfer has never drained any heralds in 616 continuity. He's absorbed their attacks and replenished their energies. He's never stripped heralds of their powers. MC2 is also non-canon.
As for Surfer's feat with the Odinforce, it's not very clear what exactly happened. It's clear he sampled and synthesized it by Surfer's own words. But whether he could do so again is vastly unclear. This feat could very well be a virtue of his linking with Odin at the time or because of Beta Ray Bill's unique genetic structure. Personally, I doubt he could replicate the feat barring such circumstances:
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The Quantum Bands are connected to the Quantum Zone. It's different from the Negative Zone. Ravenous' power was likened to be an inverse of the Power Cosmic. Not Quantum Zone energies. I think few people are aware of how consistently powerful and versatile Surfer has been. And while I don't put the best Green or Yellow Lanterns on his level, I still think it's too simplistic to suggest he pwnz them 10/10 by draining their rings. I've never thought so, but I don't need to think so to believe that Silver Surfer can beat these two.
P.S. "Have GLs fought any opponent other than Manhunters that have tried to drain their rings' energies?" Anybody? It would seem obvious that they must have considering their long history of appearances, but for the life of me, my mind is drawing a blank.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hulk cannot manipulate his gamma energies. He can only draw more gamma radiation into his body. Hulk has no way of fighting off Surfer's draining of it. Hal and Sinestro both are experienced manipulators of their respective energies. They can fight against someone trying to drain them... I think. Although, have they fought any opponent that has tried to drain their energies? Because I can only recall Manhunters draining them and they can't resist that. Either way, Manhunters possess enhanced technology specifically targeted towards those energies. Unless you have scans where a competent energy wielder has drained Green or Yellow Lanterns of their powers, it's pure speculation that Silver Surfer could replicate such effects.If this was the Silver Surfer from the Green Lantern/Silver Surfer crossover... then yes he could do so. But this is current Silver Surfer. And that's a non-canon source. Also, while I never read the Dominas fight (do you have scans?), that is from the MC2 universe in the future. Surfer could have gone through any number of changes in the future to explain that. Furthermore, Silver Surfer has never drained any heralds in 616 continuity. He's absorbed their attacks and replenished their energies. He's never stripped heralds of their powers. MC2 is also non-canon.
As for Surfer's feat with the Odinforce, it's not very clear what exactly happened. It's clear he sampled and synthesized it by Surfer's own words. But whether he could do so again is vastly unclear. This feat could very well be a virtue of his linking with Odin at the time or because of Beta Ray Bill's unique genetic structure. Personally, I doubt he could replicate the feat barring such circumstances:
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http://img263.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cosmicpowersunlimited05109jc.jpgThe Quantum Bands are connected to the Quantum Zone. It's different from the Negative Zone. Ravenous' power was likened to be an inverse of the Power Cosmic. Not Quantum Zone energies. I think few people are aware of how consistently powerful and versatile Surfer has been. And while I don't put the best Green or Yellow Lanterns on his level, I still think it's too simplistic to suggest he pwnz them 10/10 by draining their rings. I've never thought so, but I don't need to think so to believe that Silver Surfer can beat these two.
P.S. "Have GLs fought any opponent other than Manhunters that have tried to drain their rings' energies?" Anybody? It would seem obvious that they must have considering their long history of appearances, but for the life of me, my mind is drawing a blank.
I agree that current SS wins. His durability levels have sky rocketed and while the Gls may be able to hang with him enrgy wise he is physically too much for them and would therefore have more options. He also does not have a finite power source as he can absorb cosmic rays anywhere in the cosmos. Howver while i beleive his enrgy manip has skyrocketed aas well( chanelling the crunch, Galactus verified the difficulty level of this feat.), I also doubt that he can simply drain the Gls rings to win. I do howver think he can replicate the odin force feat. This is because if it was only because of his link with odin then i would think odin would have some knowledge of what happened as it could not have been done without his permission. Howver Odin initially did not even know what the surfer did.
What the hell are people thinking? Surfer could barely squeak out a majority of wins against either if at all. How about Hal upgrades himself into a daxamite and whips surfer's ass with a green ring and superman level strength? Or Sinestro Creates an army of silver surfers? To say that Surfer can beat both of these guys together is retarded marvel fanboyism at it's worst.
Originally posted by fangirl101I happen to think I'm being quite reasonable. I've never seen Hal upgrade himself into a Daxamite. Do you have proof that he can? Or even circumstantial proof that he can alter his genetic structure that way? Has Sinestro or Hal ever created an army of fully functioning constructs that were actually as powerful as the Silver Surfer? Do you have any circumstantial evidence that suggests that they could even create an army of simple plasma constructs that could overwhelm a foe like Silver Surfer? I highly doubt that you do. If either Hal or Sinestro could create an army of fully functioning constructs, they could beat each other's respective Corps singlehandedly.
What the hell are people thinking? Surfer could barely squeak out a majority of wins against either if at all. How about Hal upgrades himself into a daxamite and whips surfer's ass with a green ring and superman level strength? Or Sinestro Creates an army of silver surfers? To say that Surfer can beat both of these guys together is retarded marvel fanboyism at it's worst.
Neither Hal nor Sinestro are on Surfer's level. Quasar and pre-insanity Genis-Vell could take a few from Silver Surfer individually. Put Quasar and pre-insanity Genis-Vell together against Silver Surfer and Silver Surfer STILL takes the majority. Same thing applies here.
Originally posted by fangirl101
What the hell are people thinking? Surfer could barely squeak out a majority of wins against either if at all. How about Hal upgrades himself into a daxamite and whips surfer's ass with a green ring and superman level strength? Or Sinestro Creates an army of silver surfers? To say that Surfer can beat both of these guys together is retarded marvel fanboyism at it's worst.
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I happen to think I'm being quite reasonable. I've never seen Hal upgrade himself into a Daxamite. Do you have proof that he can? Or even circumstantial proof that he can alter his genetic structure that way? Has Sinestro or Hal ever created an army of fully functioning constructs that were actually as powerful as the Silver Surfer? Do you have any circumstantial evidence that suggests that they could even create an army of simple plasma constructs that could overwhelm a foe like Silver Surfer? I highly doubt that you do. If either Hal or Sinestro could create an army of fully functioning constructs, they could beat each other's respective Corps singlehandedly.
GLs of their levels have done exactly what she described. Hal once recreated a portion of the Corps with his ring. Kyle has filled a city with constructs in order to fight Nero. Kyle once created living creatures (including a Daxamite and beings with access to the Speedforce). John temporarily recreated an entire solar system. Kyle has cloned himself. Hal and Kilwog rewrote the genetic structure of plant life in order to terraform a planet.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
GLs of their levels have done exactly what she described. Hal once recreated a portion of the Corps with his ring. Kyle has filled a city with constructs in order to fight Nero. Kyle once created living creatures (including a Daxamite and beings with access to the Speedforce). John temporarily recreated an entire solar system. Kyle has cloned himself. Hal and Kilwog rewrote the genetic structure of plant life in order to terraform a planet.
I certainly dont doubt gls ability to create armies of sentient life or powerful beings. But i do doubt their ability to create beings on SS level.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosTime to clean house again... *sigh*
GLs of their levels have done exactly what she described. Hal once recreated a portion of the Corps with his ring. Kyle has filled a city with constructs in order to fight Nero. Kyle once created living creatures (including a Daxamite and beings with access to the Speedforce). John temporarily recreated an entire solar system. Kyle has cloned himself. Hal and Kilwog rewrote the genetic structure of plant life in order to terraform a planet.
1) Hal recreated a portion of the Corps when he was amped by the Sentinels of Magic, including Phantom Stranger. You need to read 'Day of Judgment' again.
2) Creating plasma constructs is completely different from creating an army of fully functioning Silver Surfers. As to whether these plasma constructs would overpower the Silver Surfer, show me the scans. Until then, it's speculation and that isn't even Hal Jordan.
3) Kyle by virtue of his unique ring was subconsciously tapping into the Ion power during the 'Circle Of Fire' storyline. Try again.
4) John Stewart never temporarily recreated a solar system. He managed to make big amorphous balls of plasma energy. Interpreting that as an actual temporary reconstruction is reaching and speculative nonsense. Recreating the solar system obviously exceeded the ring's capabilities.
5) When did Kyle clone himself and what were the circumstances?
6) Kilowog, who specializes in genetics, induces accelerated mutation on organisms during the 'Rann-Thanagar War.' It's circumstantial evidence that he could actually rewrite DNA. It's speculative nonsense that he or Hal could rewrite their DNAs into becoming Daxamites. I could see GLs causing accelerated mutation onto themselves. I shall not speculate as to what that would actually lead to.
Are we done here? If so, like I said before...
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Silver Surfer. Neither Hal Jordan, nor Sinestro have done anything to put themselves on Silver Surfer's level.
