Hal Jordan and Sinestro vs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Very little of that is consistent with the way Surfer usually acts or fights. Individually GLs are probably a little bit below Surfer, I'll give you that, but the numbers game plays hugely to their favor. Bloodlust means Surfer is trying to kill them not that he'll remember to use all his myriad powers. To be fair the GLs aren't going to do that either but because they out number Surfer and because they really are quite powerful means they can without too much difficulty.

he has Cosmic Awareness... an attribute that, when given to a human mind, drives it insane due to information and sensory overload.

simply put, two GL classers would still not be functioning at a capacity that Surfer would find overwhelming. he's just that much faster and more powerful in the head.

you wouldn't use your argument of numbers against Flash, would you?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Very little of that is consistent with the way Surfer usually acts or fights. Individually GLs are probably a little bit below Surfer, I'll give you that, but the numbers game plays hugely to their favor. Bloodlust means Surfer is trying to kill them not that he'll remember to use all his myriad powers. To be fair the GLs aren't going to do that either but because they out number Surfer and because they really are quite powerful means they can without too much difficulty.

And most of that was STILL pre-upgrade Surfer. This is current post-Annihilation Silver Surfer. I didn't conjure up some rampant fanboy version of him using random PIS, "never will happen again, never shoulda happened in the first place" overblown feats or misconstrued myths. Bloodlusted Surfer still consistently uses his power, speed and energy manipulation abilities. Maybe there's less chance that he'll temporally BFR the duo, but there's probably more of a chance that he'll just make a black hole to throw the both of them into and beat them senselessly while inside. And I say all this without relying on some simplistic conclusory hypothetical that Surfer simply drains their rings.

Neither Hal nor Sinestro are on Surfer's level. As I said before, Quasar and pre-insanity Genis-Vell could take a few from Silver Surfer individually. Put Quasar and pre-insanity Genis-Vell together against Silver Surfer and Silver Surfer STILL takes the majority. Same thing applies here. Show me something that current Hal or Sinestro has done to even approach Silver Surfer. Until then, my opinion will remain unchanged.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's absolutely consistent. Surfer always uses his Cosmic Awareness in his fights to analyze situations, track opponents and perceive his foes' weaknesses. Silver Surfer has time travelled a dozen times, several of which were to BFR an extremely tough opponent. Black holes have been formed in three separate instances by Galactus' Heralds: Surfer, Stardust, Red Shift. I have no idea how many planets have been blown up by Heralds in their fights; I'm going to say lots. Surfer has had his body dismembered three times and been restored. Granted, his Unilord feat is the best energy absorption feat he's got, but he absorbs and usurps energies and redirects them at his opponents very often. Surfer has nanosecond reaction times. And bottom-line, he uses his speed a great deal. He's followed light speed electronic signals through a spaceship in that dismemberment feat and spiralled around a light speed energy blast effectively neutralizing it. Evolving a planet billions of years may be one of his greatest transmutation feats, but he has near a dozen planet-wide scale feats, including attacking every major city on Earth in moments, granting world peace twice, healing an entire planet's population from plague and the recent transport ship shielding feat.

And most of that was STILL pre-upgrade Surfer. This is current post-Annihilation Silver Surfer. I didn't conjure up some rampant fanboy version of him using random PIS, "never will happen again, never shoulda happened in the first place" overblown feats or misconstrued myths. Bloodlusted Surfer still consistently uses his power, speed and energy manipulation abilities. Maybe there's less chance that he'll temporally BFR the duo, but there's probably more of a chance that he'll just make a black hole to throw the both of them into and beat them senselessly while inside. And I say all this without relying on some simplistic conclusory hypothetical that Surfer simply drains their rings.

Neither Hal nor Sinestro are on Surfer's level. As I said before, Quasar and pre-insanity Genis-Vell could take a few from Silver Surfer individually. Put Quasar and pre-insanity Genis-Vell together against Silver Surfer and Silver Surfer STILL takes the majority. Same thing applies here. Show me something that current Hal or Sinestro has done to even approach Silver Surfer. Until then, my opinion will remain unchanged.

GL's have sealed black holes and traversed them on multiple occasions, they have also time traveled, opened up warp rifts for travel, evolved and devolved life (human to ape, ape to human, and the shark come to mind). They've turned a devoid asteroid into a flourishing world. They've evolved simple life forms into complex organisms, restoring a planets entire ecosystem. Kilowogg absorbed the souls of his entire race (16 billion people). There are multiple instances of lanterns healing themself, even willing themselves back to life. As for speed, lanterns have caught flash, zoom, etc. They've survived and even absorbed super novas.

The ring can do anything. Anything.

Hal by himself vs Norrin has been argued to death on quite a few forums, including this one. I give the team the majority here, period.
Fact is, lanterns have a ton of VERY high-end feats, to say that Sinestro and Hal together are completely outclassed is asinine.

corection the ring can do almost anything

^ True. And newly made socks need not apply. Especially when they have to reach into pre-Crisis continuity and other Green Lantern's history for feats when this is current Hal and Sinestro.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think his point is that if there's virtually no evidence of Hal overcoming energy absorption then it's far more likely the tactic will be successful for Surfer because Surfer DOES have instances of overcoming energy absorption to his credit.

What the hell? I've only seen people who have specific links to the Oan battery drain GL's in that way. manhunters, alpha lanterns, and gaurdians themselves. Surfer wouldn't be able to do that without much resistance from either of these guys.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ True. And newly made socks need not apply. Especially when they have to reach into pre-Crisis continuity and other Green Lantern's history for feats when this is current Hal and Sinestro.

Precrisis and Current continuity are one and the same are they not? evident by superman's history and memory and the legion.

no only certain things from precrisis are in continuity

Originally posted by jalek moye
no only certain things from precrisis are in continuity

And you know what is and what isn't? Where the rings affected at all? What changed about them? There is only one set of gaurdian's in all the multiverse. So why would thier rings change? They didn't.

Originally posted by batdude123
What is this shit? barker

Hal Jordan would give Surfer trouble on his own. Add in Sinestro, and this becomes a rape stomp.

QFT... 👆

Originally posted by fangirl101
And you know what is and what isn't? Where the rings affected at all? What changed about them? There is only one set of gaurdian's in all the multiverse. So why would thier rings change? They didn't.

Originally posted by fangirl101
What the hell? I've only seen people who have specific links to the Oan battery drain GL's in that way. manhunters, alpha lanterns, and gaurdians themselves. Surfer wouldn't be able to do that without much resistance from either of these guys.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What about Photon?

Crossover

Originally posted by grimify
Crossover

Originally posted by darthgoober
Canon crossover.

Only to dc correct? Or is it canon to Marvel as well? Kyle also used his ring to drain a cosmic cube. That is a Much greater feat than draining a GL ring.

Originally posted by darthgoober
What about Photon?

The nature of GL energy has been retconned as of Rebirth.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Only to dc correct? Or is it canon to Marvel as well? Kyle also used his ring to drain a cosmic cube. That is a Much greater feat than draining a GL ring.

Originally posted by batdude123
The nature of GL energy has been retconned as of Rebirth.

Originally posted by darthgoober
In what way(and how does the recton suggest that the ring's energy is impossible to drain)?

GL energy isn't composed of electromagnetic energy anymore, but rather, will power in energy form.

Originally posted by batdude123
GL energy isn't composed of electromagnetic energy anymore, but rather, will power in energy form.