http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=21566
Possible 2012 release- and also note that it doesn't need to do THAT well to make money.
The direction TOR is going may be a pain to many of us... but it's hard to say right now it will be a train wreck.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
So, my question is, how is it that a giant corporation like EA, with money out the ass to hire as many consultants and advisers as they want, can not see that this is a huge ****ing train wreck in the making, yet a bunch of dudes on a forum can all unanimously agree that the writing on the wall is saying this going to be complete shit? You would think that someone, SOMEONE, would speak up at a board meeting and say, "hey, guys, maybe we should rethink some of this."Are they really counting on the rampant Bioware/Star Wars fanboys to turn enough profit on their own to make this endeavored worth it? You'd think they'd learned their lesson from SW:G.
Maybe they can see something we can't.
Or you could be wrong. 😉
Originally posted by Peach
Same. Though generally, having KOTOR, MMO, or Bioware anywhere in a sentence causes me to lose interest.
^ It's not like you were positive about it from the get-go though. I'm a little surprised that you're still actively keeping an eye on it if you're not a fan of KotOR games in general.
Also, for every five or six of us that bitches about pay to play here, there's probably a few hundred who don't think anything of investing in a hobby they enjoy. After all, paying 10-15 bucks a month on a game is cheaper than eating fast food for 2-3 days (non-dollar menu), buying magazine subscriptions monthly, paying for XBL, or just buying bargain-bin older games. Most of us here have some kind of poor spending habit which could be axed to provide for a P2P MMO habit. Hell, I bet most of you have smartphones with 20-30 dollar a month internet.
I'm not exactly swimming in gold myself, but if the game proves to be what the previously posted video shows - a good team-based MMO with a great foundation and a good mythos to work with - I'll definitely try it out, even at pay to play. Whining that years of work and an incredible amount of scripting and voice acting ought to be free is kind of missing the point. Free trial? Sure. Free first month? Even better. But free all the time? I'd imagine simply investing in the brand SW itself cost a pretty penny. How else is George Lucas going to heat his house by burning hundred dollar bills?
Except it doesn't look like a good team-based MMO...it looks like WoW, reskinned.
P2P is as a rule turning out to be not a very good business model for MMOs, unless you're WoW. There have been very few successful P2P MMOs since WoW came out; for the most part, they try too hard to clone that and most people see no reason to jump ship when they've already got one game they're sinking money into. Especially since the entire success of the game is based off of the fact that it's a grindfest and works by holding a proverbial carrot on a stick just out of reach.
Whining that years of work and an incredible amount of scripting and voice acting ought to be free is kind of missing the point.
Well, not really. Because, really, why shouldn't it be? They're not the only MMO that's going to be fully-voiced. Nor are they the only one with years of work behind it - that's in fact the norm.
Also, oh boy, you can find three year old quotes...and also can ignore the posts I made after that saying that I was indeed willing to give the game a try. Until they started releasing information on it, and the game started sliding downhill with every info tidbit.
Especially since the entire success of the game is based off of the fact that it's a grindfest and works by holding a proverbial carrot on a stick just out of reach.
Weren't we complaining that TOR wasn't grindy enough like 4 pages ago? >😛
Well, not really. Because, really, why shouldn't it be? They're not the only MMO that's going to be fully-voiced. Nor are they the only one with years of work behind it - that's in fact the norm.
Holy unfair comparison Batman! Guild Wars is pretty much Internet Jesus and you know it!
Where the hell was anyone complaining that TOR wasn't grindy enough 😑 that...makes no sense? Especially since most of the posters here are pretty anti-grind. The complaining was about that weird mechanic that lets the game complete content for you.
And haha 😛 But in all seriousness, the more I read about GW2's design process and the amount of time and work they're putting into it and their determination to not release anything before it's 100% ready unless absolutely necessary (like unfinalized voicework for a demo), it makes me wonder "well why the hell isn't anyone else trying out this route"?
It was about getting your crew members to do crafting, mining and missions fo you and stuff:
I hate grind as much as anyone else, but almost all MMOs use it to extend their length and therefore, apparent quality. The grind is the hallmark of the genre. The illusion of progress, however slow, is what keeps the gamer coming back each day and buying that next month of subscription. I'm speaking as a designer here, not a gamer. So yes, as a concept that is core to the traditional MMO style TOR seems to be shooting for, I can most certainly say that taking the game out of the player's hands for any length of time is a dangerous move for the success of the game.
Yeah, I'm definately gonna go for GW as well as TOR. GW is blatantly going to be better but I'm a star wars whore so I'll spread for the saber anyway.
Should play GW1 if you haven't yet 😛 Get yourself set up for the second one to come out.
And it's like...it's Star Wars. I want to enjoy it. I played both TFU's wanting to enjoy them. But it's so very hard to keep interest when they just keep doing more and more things that make the game seem even more generic than it was the last info release.
Originally posted by ares834
The new TOR trailer.
Originally posted by Mist_haermm
Sweet. Jesus.
I hope Blur make a feature film....
I agree. My coworker and I were talking about that trailer and it's what the Clone Wars TV series should have been. I love the Clone Wars series...but a series like the trailer with the characters, mood, and more mature approach would have been much better received. Can't blame Lucas for wanting to cater to the TVY7 market, though.