Delph's League of Champions Season One Discussion Thread

Originally posted by illadelph12
Commissioner's Note:

I've been discussing the matter with Leo via PM, and here's the decision I've come to:

Hmm...

If that's the case, I'd have to agree with you [referencing Leo's PM].

If the Current Cogliostro has full Hellspawn powers he'd be a 30 point character. I was led to believe that the original depowered/mentor of Spawn version of Cogliostro was the character which was being drafted, and that's what id stated, but if that is the case, he can't use current Cogliostro if the current version is re-empowered [no longer in his 15 point state], which it appears is the case according to the suicide/becoming a hellspawn again scenario to assume the Throne (assuming that's how it occurred).

My ruling would be that id/Kandy get "Cogliostro", but, since they didn't state a era specific version, by rule, they would get the assumed current/most recently depicted version. If it's shown that the current version of Cog has regained his hellspawn powers and is no longer in his depowered state then his point allotment would be re-adjusted to match that of Spawn (30), and it would result in a Salary Cap violation since they'd be over by 15 I believe (though I actually think Id left himself 15 points of cap room, so it might wind up being beside the point).

I checked and id left himself 5 points under the salary cap, so if Cog does in fact have his hellspawn powers back they'd be over the salary cap by 10 points (total of 135). I'm going to need some evidence though.

I want to see the evidence that Cog will regain his Hell Powers after his suicide. Oh wait I already know the answer.

Cog has no Hell Spawn powers, he removed them long ago.

In Hell he has no Spawn Powers.
He cant even, summon the strength to liberate Spawn in Hell.

Nor does he have the power, contest Violator in Hell.

http://img265.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spawn11906rg0.jpg

Oh btw. Before Scoob/Leo or anyone else starts to call foul play. I wrote this prep, and drafted said character, after Delph approved of them. So yeah its legal.
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Originally posted by id369
I did not bring the Crown into the battlefield. The Crown power was internalized.

lulz, same shit, different pile.

The other points were irrelevant, as they referenced seperate rulings (the genie, for instance, has absolutely nothing to do with this, so the fact that nobody was summoned is irrelevant. it's all about the context...).

I'm losing the point of that debate... that's as boring as reading through the presidential debates script for Rhetorics class at university...except...probably even more boring.

Originally posted by Cavalier
So, you brought the Crown's power to the battlefield, without the actual item?

lulz, same shit, different pile.

The other points were irrelevant, as they referenced seperate rulings (the genie, for instance, has absolutely nothing to do with this, so the fact that nobody was summoned is irrelevant. it's all about the context...).

- Id

No, that would be legal as you'd be upgrading your character during prep. - Delph
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6. Prep: Prep is allowed. You get 10 (ten) minutes of prep per match at a member of your team's historical base of operations. Characters that are members of teams (JLA, Stormwatch, Avengers, etc) will be able to utilize the team base of operations unless the character is also a solo hero and has their own personal base of operations (i.e. Batman gets the Bat-cave as his base even though as a member of the JLA he has access to the Watchtower). For characters that are members of a team you will not have access to any of their teammates equipment or arsenal, only the prep host's resources. The only resource available to you other than the prep host's arsenal will be the computer database present at the base. You get the character's historic primary base of operations and access to the prep host's equipment only. No exceptions and no loopholes. The default prep area is the Old Trafford Stadium in Manchester, England.
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Originally posted by id369
Oh btw. Before Scoob/Leo or anyone else starts to call [B]foul play. I wrote this prep, and drafted said character, after Delph approved of them. So yeah its legal.
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Originally posted by id369
Oh btw. Before Scoob/Leo or anyone else starts to call [B]foul play. I wrote this prep, and drafted said character, after Delph approved of them. So yeah its legal.
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it seemed that Id spelled out his plans very clearly and Idelph understood the power of it and still oked it

how is everyone interpreting Idelph's pm?

Well that’s about all I can think of ATM. Well Gota go.

See you at the top - Id

Originally posted by Starscream M
can someone who is against Id's plans just address these pms?

it seemed that Id spelled out his plans very clearly and Idelph understood the power of it and still oked it

how is everyone interpreting Idelph's pm?

Hopefully this will help:

Earlier in the tournament, Smurph drafted Blue Boy for 5 points. They then prepped at his prep site and brought equipment of his that upgraded him to well beyond 5 pts. This was illegal.

Charlotte later drafted Lex Luthor for 5 pts, then tried to use his prep site to outfit him in his Superman-busting armor. This was illegal.

Now id wants to draft Cog for 15 points and use his prep site to gain access to an artifact that makes him well into herald level (way beyond 15 points). By the same ruling as earlier, this should be illegal.

Id's defense is that he's absorbing its power during prep, not actually bringing it into battle. But it's still the same idea of drafting a character for far below the power level you're intending them at, then using their prep site to gain access to materials that would have made them illegal in the first place if you tried to draft them that way. Smurph's "same sh*t, different pile" comment encapsulates that idea.

Also, delph's more recent ruling overrides any PMs because it is more recent. At this point, the PMs are irrelevant. The ruling should be focused on. In it, he states that id would be over the cap if he is using a version of Cog that retains his god powers from suicide/becoming a hellspawn again/etc. that he is worth 30 points, thus making id's team illegal. He said he would need evidence, which I think would be provided in full by the scans id has posted of god-powered Cog.

That should really be all there is to it.

Charlotte later drafted Lex Luthor for 5 pts, then tried to use his prep site to outfit him in his Superman-busting armor. This was illegal.

10 points, but you're right otherwise.

thanks for the brief explanation Digi...thats basically how I understood the situation as well...which is why I'm so confused by delph's PM

from the PMs, it seems that Id is making clear the fact that by end of prep, Cog will become far more powerful than what he was drafted for...and Delph seemed to acknowledge awareness of the incredible powerup that Cog will receive by his statement "Ouch...this may be your ticket to the playoffs"

So this isnt a case of Delph not realizing Cog would be powerup enormously, yet he still oked it...that's my confusion on this whole situation

Right. It is a bit confusing. Though like I said, the more recent ruling overrules the PMs since it's more recent. It seems to be rather damning to the plan, since all it requires for an illegal ruling is any amount of evidence, which id himself seemed to have provided in his posts.

The ironic part is that this may help determine playoff seeding, but not playoffs spots, so we're really shaking our fists over nothing. I'd still like to see it resolved, however.

Originally posted by id369
Heh…I enter the tournament for these moments.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You enter for controversial draft picks that impede actual debate? I don't have an opinion on the issue itself, but it seems like this kind of attitude is antithetical to actual progress.

In terms of rulings, this paragraph:
Last seen, and up to this date. Coglisatro obtained the crown of Hell, thus securing the Throne; its located in Cog last known base “The Black Tower”. Well I will now Cog re-crown Spawn, so he can once again become the King of Hell. Oh and just as easily as Spawn created the Crown, the Crown will be uncreated so the power can once again be internalized. No more plot device, in which he discards the Crown for some one else to claim it.
...does seem to be almost identical to the Lex Luthor Suit incident that was banned. If it's different, so be it. But I'm striving for continuity between rulings, so that no one is getting a break that another did not.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Hopefully this will help:

Earlier in the tournament, Smurph drafted Blue Boy for 5 points. They then prepped at his prep site and brought equipment of his that upgraded him to well beyond 5 pts. This was illegal.

Charlotte later drafted Lex Luthor for 5 pts, then tried to use his prep site to outfit him in his Superman-busting armor. This was illegal.

Now id wants to draft Cog for 15 points and use his prep site to gain access to an artifact that makes him well into herald level (way beyond 15 points). By the same ruling as earlier, this should be illegal.

Originally posted by DigiMark007

Id's defense is that he's absorbing its power during prep, not actually bringing it into battle. But it's still the same idea of drafting a character for far below the power level you're intending them at, then using their prep site to gain access to materials that would have made them illegal in the first place if you tried to draft them that way. Smurph's "same sh*t, different pile" comment encapsulates that idea.

Also, delph's more recent ruling overrides any PMs because it is more recent. At this point, the PMs are irrelevant. The ruling should be focused on. In it, he states that id would be over the cap if he is using a version of Cog that retains his god powers from suicide/becoming a hellspawn again/etc. that he is worth 30 points, thus making id's team illegal. He said he would need evidence, which I think would be provided in full by the scans id has posted of god-powered Cog.

That should really be all there is to it.

he drafted the king of hell for 15pts. 😐

he did NOT draft an era-specific cog because if he did draft the REAL 15pts cog, he couldn't get the tower as prep. so he drafted an early version of cog, who was terrified of using the tiny amounts of power he had, and who NEVER had access to the tower, and instead, simply said, screw it, i'll use the early version and use the tower anyway even though he only has access to the tower because he is now the king of hell.

next season i'll take strange as a surgeon for 5pts then just go ahead and use all his artifacts and sanctum as if he ALWAYS and at ANY TIME had access to all that stuff.

anyone got a problem with that? 😖hifty:

Originally posted by leonidas
next season i'll take strange as a surgeon for 5pts then just go ahead and use all his artifacts and sanctum as if he ALWAYS and at ANY TIME had access to all that stuff.

anyone got a problem with that? 😖hifty:

Yup.

😛

Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
I'm losing the point of that debate... that's as boring as reading through the presidential debates script for Rhetorics class at university...except...probably even more boring.

Agreed.

🙁

question:

What is the state of current Cog?

he sits the throne as:

KING

OF

HELL

😐

and currently is commanding its armies to build some mysterious tower to attack heaven. he's even GRANTED lordship of the 8th sphere to some greater demons.

seriously. that this discussion has reached this point is astounding.

and scoob and cdb--if you don't like it--don't read it! 😠

😛

Originally posted by leonidas
he did NOT draft an era-specific cog because if he did draft the REAL 15pts cog, he couldn't get the tower as prep.

That's an excellent point.

scoob/leo team has now become the most entertaining team to watch (see recent controversy involving id369)

how they managed to get this far with their 'teamwork' remains a mystery

at this point in time, they remind basically of a drunken kung fu fighter who seemingly has no idea what they're doing but manages to defeat their opponents regardless

the analogy is stretched further with leo being the kung fu fighter and scoob being the generous helping of alcohol...leo just has to make sure he doesn't get too wasted! 😛

Originally posted by Starscream M
scoob/leo team has now become the most entertaining team to watch (see recent controversy involving id369)

nwoot

(glad we're winning something . . . 😮 )

how they managed to get this far with their 'teamwork' remains a mystery

to us too. 😐

at this point in time, they remind basically of a drunken kung fu fighter who seemingly has no idea what they're doing but manages to defeat their opponents regardless

well, you got the drunken part right on . . .

the analogy is stretched further with leo being the kung fu fighter and scoob being the generous helping of alcohol...leo just has to make sure he doesn't get too wasted! 😛

kicking

(i'm trying, but scoob is a STRONG influence . . .)