Delph's League of Champions Season One Discussion Thread

You can disbelieve my referencing an MSN convo if you want, Digi, but it doesn't rely on my account. If you read Delph's post that you've just quoted, he doesn't say it's illegal because he's defined that you may keep a "soul", with his personal definition of a soul being something solely comprised of memories and experience. Delph has no intention of letting anything beyond memories and experience go from match to match, and you have conceded multiple times that you require something beyond memories and experiences... meaning Delph isn't actually ruling in your favor. Though it's your own fault, you're being dicked over as much as you were afraid of, as you still don't get what you thought Delph approved.

You may not like it, but then again, you don't have to.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Otherwise, you attacked my plan and I had to defend it. 9/10 of my post that you quoted up there was just that: defense of my strategy against specific objections you had raised at one point or another. If you want to think that it's attacking you, instead of the points you made, go right ahead. I won't lose sleep over it, because all I'm doing is defending my tourney strategy...I didn't want it to become personal. Disagreeing with you isn't bashing you. The fact that I strongly disagreed with you doesn't change that. You need to be able to make the distinction better, so that we can avoid profanity-laced posts like your above post.

Commenting that we were too lazy and didn't respect the tourney enough before our match was even posted clearly wasn't a personal comment. You then decided to pursue these claims even after I assured you that they weren't the case.

Telling me that I had a secret agenda to cripple you before the playoffs obviously was just your way of disagreeing impersonally.

Saying that I was outright lying and giving excuses in order to avoid a further match with you was clearly you just defending your tourney strat.

There were also the posts that were taken out of the match, and they were riddled with derogatory words.

Your entire previous post, especially starting from "And I love" is snide, much more so than need be. You were also the first one to start telling me about how I was whining and complaining about something that I didn't like, but couldn't help back when this whole debacle first started.

And then there is your paragraphs on how you were going to be d*cked over before Delph had even posted...

I don't know why you get so defensive about a tourney, but you need to be able to differentiate between tourney matters and real matters that call for accusations of lying and ulterior motives that have absolutely no backing other than your own paranoia.

This already happened once at the beginning of the tournament where you almost dropped out when you didn't get your way, and once again it's just a demeaning rant about how I'm out to get you for simply pointing out the flaws in my opponents plan.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And I hope I'm interpreting parts of the post wrong, and my apologies if I am, but it seems like you're trying to invoke delph's dad's unfortunate situation to make me seem like the bad guy. I'm not even sure how I'm supposed to reply to that stuff, except to tell delph not to worry about the tourney or any of us, just like I did when I first heard.

Originally posted by id369
What? Soul retention, should be permitted for anyone. Who ruled out Faust?

Originally posted by Starscream M
Delph's view is not simply personal...as it stands, his personal view is creating the ruling here. Thus, his personal view becomes the accepted view of souls for the tourney.

Delph is accepting carryingover of souls ONLY because to him, a soul is nothing more than memories and experiences.

Therefore, you can't then say "well Delph allowed for soul transfer because his personal view of souls is memories and experiences. BUT in my usuage of souls, I'm going to treat souls as more than memories and experiences." Because if you use souls as more than mere memories and experiences, then Delph would've never allowed such carryover in the first place.

It boils down to this: Delph only okayed transfer of souls because he thinks its only memories and experiences. Therefore, you're limited to only usage of the memories and experiences.

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Originally posted by fangirl101
It was brought up that his power stealing ability was in fact power copying. When in Fact it's not. He's taking people's souls to do it. And they only get the ability back when Their soul is giving back. There were so many things ruled against me or said against me in summations that I see others absolutely getting away with. It's just funny. hence my absence from the forum.

you guys (id, fangirl) have to understand something:

Delph's definition of souls renders them useless for you guys.

Originally posted by fangirl101
It was brought up that his power stealing ability was in fact power copying. When in Fact it's not. He's taking people's souls to do it. And they only get the ability back when Their soul is giving back. There were so many things ruled against me or said against me in summations that I see others absolutely getting away with. It's just funny. hence my absence from the forum.

If you won a match, you should be permitted to retain the souls of your fallen victims/enemies. (for memory retention purposes)

What’s being questioned, is if you are allowed to make use of its power through the soul retention rule. Your character can clearly do so, if this is a rule violation. I don’t feel I should comment any farther thin this.

Delph basically allows you only to carryover the memory and experiences aspect of a soul.

Thus, if you use a soul in anyway beyond mere memories or experiences, then it wouldn't be allowed.

Delph's approved the soul assimilation multiple times. Including ones where the distinction between memories and "souls" was completely clear to him. Seeing souls as only memories is how he views souls. He doesn't make a distinction between the two, because he believes souls to be nothing but memories/instincts/etc. He's entitled to his opinion, but it doesn't change the rulings.

I'm not "complaining," I'm defending my strategy. Which I still feel is valid, and which I have 3 separate rulings for.

The comments about being d*cked over were when you assured me that the ruling against me had already been made. Not exactly great news. It turned out to be false, or at least premature.

I don't remember saying you were outright lying about anything. You have your position, I have mine.

The comments about being lazy were during the lull before you guys had turned in anything, and we were in the dark about the reasons for both team members being gone. It was after another similar week where nearly everyone was late with their writeups, not just you and Blair but the entire tourney. So the comments weren't even directed at a specific team. I was worried about the tourney losing momentum to the point of floundering, like previous ones. You provided reasoning for your absence, then showed up to the match.

Also, the "and I love..." paragraph was genuine. I really do love that we'll avoid last minute post-blitzes. But again, it was because I hate last minute post blitzes, not because you personally did anything wrong...it was legal, you'll likely win the match because of it. I didn't buy the "Minion discussion drained me too much" excuse for not continuing, granted, but I understand real life burdens. I didn't, and won't, hold it against you.

I'm not getting overly defensive. I'm exactly as defensive as I should be, imo, because I have to defend my plan to the best of my ability. The time I put into it demands no less. So if I'm being chippy about the Minion ruling (which I have yet to see a definitive ruling against, btw) it's because that much is intentional, though most of the other perceived slights have not been.

You're probably not going to agree with most of this post, and there will continue to be animosity. That's unfortunate.

Oh and for us, we can retain the memories of all my victims. Let it be by plucking out the physical memory or absorbing their souls.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
he believes souls to be nothing but memories/instincts/etc. He's entitled to his opinion, but it doesn't change the rulings.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You're probably not going to agree with most of this post, and there will continue to be animosity. That's unfortunate.

I realize that we've reached an impasse on the distinction between memories/information and souls, and how it relates to the ruling. I've requested a ruling from delph to address this specifically, at his earliest convenience (which I made clear could take as long as is needed, given his current circumstances). I offer no arguments for/against it, and will willingly post my PM to him in this thread for inspection if anyone requests it.

Originally posted by Cavalier
I know from conversations that I'm not the only one that felt what I clearly believe to be the negative implications of each of the events that I highlighted. So, my opinion hasn't changed. But here we are, no sense in pursuing this.

That's a shame. I can't say more than what I did above though.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I realize that we've reached an impasse on the distinction between memories/information and souls, and how it relates to the ruling. I've requested a ruling from delph to address this specifically, at his earliest convenience (which I made clear could take as long as is needed, given his current circumstances). I offer no arguments for/against it, and will willingly post my PM to him in this thread for inspection if anyone requests it.

Let's say Delph held a tourney where the rule is "no weapons allowed"

However, Delph personally sees a knife not as a weapon but as a tool...so he issues the following ruling (after being PMed by someone, lets call him PokeSign) "knifes are ok because they are tools".

Now, PokeSign should only be allowed to use the knife as a tool, right? PokeSign can't use the knife as a weapon since the only basis upon which Delph okayed it was because Delph thought knives were tools only.

It's cool, mb. I know what you guys are saying. Maybe you're right. We'll find out when we get delph's ruling, which I've requested to disambiguate the distinction between the two interpretations. I feel like I was clear about the distinction between mind and soul in my initial ruling request, and I was careful to word it so that he understood that they were separate things, and it was approved by him at the time. But it may be that that isn't the case.

cool beans Digi 😄

Starscream and Digi, I don't know what you both are up to but it needs to stop. You're both creeping me out by agreeing and being all friendly to each other. Please stop. Thanks. uhuh

durelly

Originally posted by Starscream M
cool beans Digi 😄

WARNED!

better?

Originally posted by Badabing
You're both creeping me out by agreeing and being all friendly to each other.

wait...you see us agreeing?!?! jesus, if we had only agreed, I would've stopped posting pages ago 😛

Originally posted by DigiMark007
WARNED!

better?

Originally posted by Starscream M
wait...you see us agreeing?!?! jesus, if we had only agreed, I would've stopped posting pages ago 😛

Next Quan and Fangirl will be agreeing, Capt and Jinzin will turn against Wolverine, Cyclops will have more than one fan on KMC. *cough *Raoul *cough* The whole system will fall apart! 😖

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Originally posted by Badabing

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