Originally posted by Cavalier
Question:Shouldn't standard equip apply to battle situations and appearances?
I haven't read Cog's latest appearances, but just because Bruce Wayne doesn't wear his utility belt when he's running Wayne Industries doesn't mean it's not standard equipment for him...
Bad analogy IMO.
Bruce tries to hide his secret identity, why would he wear utility belt in a public facility?
A better comparison would be, Bruce doesn’t wear his Batman Suit/utility belt in his Bat Cave on a day to day biases.
Though that would be inherently wrong, and a bad point.
Originally posted by id369Bruce DOESN'T necessarily wear his Bat suit and belt in the bat cave all the time. And if he did decide to wear street clothes, it wouldn't mean that the bat suit wasn't standard equipment. To say that would be dumb, as he wasn't in a battle at the time.
Bad analogy IMO.
Bruce tries to hide his secret identity, why would he wear utility belt in a public facility?A better comparison would be, Bruce doesn’t wear his Batman Suit/utility belt in his Bat Cave on a day to day biases.
Though that would be inherently wrong, and a bad point.
Point being, battle feats are what dictate appearances and standard equip, not misc. cameos and appearances.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Bruce DOESN'T necessarily wear his Bat suit and belt in the bat cave all the time. And if he did decide to wear street clothes, it wouldn't mean that the bat suit wasn't standard equipment. To say that would be dumb, as he wasn't in a battle at the time.Point being, battle feats are what dictate appearances and standard equip, not misc. cameos and appearances.
Yes I am aware that Bruce DOESN’T necessarily wear his bat suit, in the every time he is in the bat cave. But more often then not you see him in them, which lets you know it’s a standard item and not a base equipment.
Cog is in Hell. Its war down their 24/7, yet he isn’t wearing what is perceived to be the strongest source of magic. Bad Writing? Maybe. Is this routinely done? Yes and he isn’t the only one.
Oh and BTW: That was still a God awful analogy.
Originally posted by Cavalier
Meh. The analogy delivered the point just fine, but I came up with it in a matter of seconds.If Bruce wore his civilian clothes every single day in the Batcave, it wouldn't change the fact that the Batsuit is standard equip.
You right, it wouldn’t. Now how do you apply this to a seated King who hasn’t worn his, upon his coronation?
Originally posted by id369I would say we have no idea if his crown would accompany him in a battle situation or not, assuming he was prepared. Hawkeye might not bring his quiver everywhere with him in the Avenger's Mansion, and King Arthur might not be seen with Excalibur all the time at Camelot, but it doesn't change the fact that those would be standard for characters in a battle.
You right, it wouldn’t. Now how do you apply this to a seated King who hasn’t worn his, upon his coronation?
What If I was to tell you that, Spawn verse has the duties of the King clearly outline. And the necessity of wearing the Crown is of outmost importance, which is predominately shown to accesses its power to up hold his/her responsibility on a day to day biases. If Cog does not do as so, then shouldn’t this item be treated as a specialty item?
Originally posted by id369That would really only reinforce the idea that it's standard equipment, actually, seeing as he would probably wear it as a symbol if nothing else should he be confronted.
What If I was to tell you that, Spawn verse has the duties of the King clearly outline. And the necessity of wearing the Crown is of outmost importance, which is predominately shown to accesses its power to up hold his/her responsibility on a day to day biases. If Cog does not do as so, then shouldn’t this item be treated as a specialty item?
Originally posted by Cavalier
That would really only reinforce the idea that it's standard equipment, actually, seeing as he would probably wear it as a symbol if nothing else should he be confronted.
indeed. you're saying much of what i've said throughout. and let's not forget--he only HAS the base BECAUSE he's king and took POSSESSION of the crown . . .
Well I disagree. The Crown purpose isn’t just to symbolically show its title. It also serves, grant its host its governing power. If he personally isn’t shown to wear, this piece of equipment on a day to day biases as he should. Then by its vary definition, it falls under exotic equipment.
Or at least that’s how I understand it.
but he hasn't had enough appearances to determine that. 2 extremely brief and minor cameos aren't enough information. logic says (despite tourney rules) that a king possesses a crown, that teh crown is part-and-parcel of being a king. again, any ruling contradicting this would appear illogical to me.
in an early post you mention how full of war hell is. that only ADDS credence to the inferential power that cog is displaying WITHOUT any on-panel proof of said power even WITHOUT wearing the crown.
why take it off in a place like hell if he didn't have power? why not internalize it as spawn did at least?
to rule in your favor may go against on-panel evidence (which cannot be presented because there are not enough appearances--which is what the 10 appearance rule was meant to eliminate . . .) but it would go against common sense and logic--IMO.
we have direct on-panel evidence that says that hell of subject to the judgements of the beings in the tower. that is somewhat more than purely inferential. that is reference to direct power.
but i'm not debating this topic with you smurph, and i've made my own points many times. at this point, i just look forward to an ending to this thing so that the playoffs can get underway one way or the other. 🙂
Here is the problem. You have no evidence to concrete the inferred power you speak off. It happened off panel. Which makes your claim subjective. I on the other hand, had demonstrated every proceeding act with actual base power of the Crown.
Common sense dictates, this inferred power only happened when he wore the crown. Other wise it’s a moot point. Add on the fact, that lords has bin shown to be powerless out side of their realm, which really makes your entire point moot. Or else what was the point of internalizing the crowns power?