Originally posted by carver9
Silver surfer isnt absorbing anything from sentry. Do you not understand that he dont gather energy only from the sun, he absorbs energy from every substance. Sentry could be gathering power while surfer is absorbing his power not losing anything.
it doesn't matter that Sentry gets his energy from "everywhere", the Power Cosmic is everywhere yet it can be drained and Surfer can drain it.
the principal here is that the energy can be released from the body without the conscious intention of the person. Hulk's gamma can be released from him. Galactus' Power Cosmic can be released from him. Surfer's Power Cosmic can be released from him (well, excluding The Keeper stuff)...
all energy wielders in Marvel seem to fall under the same rule. what makes Sentry different?
Surfer just has to drain energy from Sentry faster than Sentry gains it. which is quite within his abilities, imo.
Originally posted by carver9
Silver surfer isnt absorbing anything from sentry. Do you not understand that he dont gather energy only from the sun, he absorbs energy from every substance. Sentry could be gathering power while surfer is absorbing his power not losing anything.
Yeah i heard that sentry can absorb free enrgy in the universe but you are making it sound like sentry cannot be burnt out because he absorbs enrgy from the universe. This howver is false as we all saw sentry burnt out against WWH. And WWH was not a top enrgy absorber by the way. The silver surfer would have no problems syphoning sentrys enrgy and doing with it whatever he wants. This is still only one of the many ways surfer can win this.
Originally posted by janus77I am almost positive that Sentry throwing the Void into the Sun was more symbolic of Sentry's ability to accept and overcome him then it actually serving as a prison for the Void.
what if Surfer decided to create a blackhole in the battlefield?if the Void can't even escape from the Sun what's he gonna do when he's being ripped apart in every direction by the infinite forces of a blackhole?
hell that might actually kill Sentry and Void in one.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yeah i heard that sentry can absorb free enrgy in the universe but you are making it sound like sentry cannot be burnt out because he absorbs enrgy from the universe. This howver is false as we all saw sentry burnt out against WWH. And WWH was not a top enrgy absorber by the way. The silver surfer would have no problems syphoning sentrys enrgy and doing with it whatever he wants. This is still only one of the many ways surfer can win this.
I think him taking planet destroying punches to the head freely along with all the out put of energy that he was trying to control and dish out had a lot to do with him burning out. Just like the superman and doomsday fight except sentry just took more of a beating from one of the strongest characters in comics. I cant believe he lasted as long as he did.
Originally posted by carver9
I think him taking planet destroying punches to the head freely along with all the out put of energy that he was trying to control and dish out had a lot to do with him burning out. Just like the superman and doomsday fight except sentry just took more of a beating from one of the strongest characters in comics. I cant believe he lasted as long as he did.
For one thing Sentry is going to have to use more enrgy than he did in WWH if he wants to think of taking out surfer. Further evn though sentry was taking a beating and using up enrgy, His enrgy was not being directly siphoned from him. Hence it was being expeneded at a lower rate than it will be if surfer is directly draining him. Surfer has been able to totally drain his complete equal in power in just a few moments so you get the idea of how fast sentry is going to have his enrgy drained.
Originally posted by Mr. SlippyfistI dont know why but I chuckled a little bit at the knocked out by a nerd part.
Ya, the amount of punishment that Sentry took from a Hulk just healing up from his fight with Strange was uncanny. Started off with a cheapshot, and ended with Bob getting knocked out by a nerd.Did not look good for him at all...
Originally posted by janus77Void being locked up in Sentry's watchtower cell appeared to be quite literal as well... until we find out that he's not actually locked up in that cell and it was just a mindgame Sentry played on himself. As long as he could think that Void might be in that cell, he was in that cell. I think that applies even more to the whole being thrown into the Sun thing. Especially since the Void is back. If he was actually trapped in the Sun, Sentry would have had to go retrieve him. And I'm pretty sure Bob is still crying out there near Saturn.
a symbolic struggle would make more sense given what the Void is supposed to represent but, looked quite literal to me.Void was like a separate manifestation of a part of Sentry, like Hulk/Banner being able to split into two separate beings no?
Originally posted by ultimatethor
For one thing Sentry is going to have to use more enrgy than he did in WWH if he wants to think of taking out surfer. Further evn though sentry was taking a beating and using up enrgy, His enrgy was not being directly siphoned from him. Hence it was being expeneded at a lower rate than it will be if surfer is directly draining him. Surfer has been able to totally drain his complete equal in power in just a few moments so you get the idea of how fast sentry is going to have his enrgy drained.
Why is this even being debated when sentry has never had his energy drained. We dont even know if his energy could be drained. Your assuming that it can. Sentry powers is so different from others that its ridiculous.
We dont know how much energy sentry was dishing out since he basically had it focused into one area. Thats why I said FOCUSED energy because it was just that, focused energy, so again how do we know the amount of energy that was being poured into that one spot since it was all directed at the hulk.
I know his energy wasnt being siphoned from him but that beating from hulk did help the process, thats common sense.
Show me surfer draining a equal in mere moments and even if he did do this what does that have to do against sentry when all that attempted to mess with his power have failed.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is this even being debated when sentry has never had his energy drained. We dont even know if his energy could be drained. Your assuming that it can. Sentry powers is so different from others that its ridiculous.We dont know how much energy sentry was dishing out since he basically had it focused into one area. Thats why I said FOCUSED energy because it was just that, focused energy, so again how do we know the amount of energy that was being poured into that one spot since it was all directed at the hulk.
I know his energy wasnt being siphoned from him but that beating from hulk did help the process, thats common sense.
Show me surfer draining a equal in mere moments and even if he did do this what does that have to do against sentry when all that attempted to mess with his power have failed.
Surfer can focus energies that actually have - on-panel - atomised planets and created black holes.
there's several orders of magnitude difference between Sentry (focussed total output <<< what Hulk can take without having to be truly angry) versus Surfer (casually creating a black hole or obliterating a planet whilst engaged in a fight or giving a very convincing warning to an opponent).
another way to look at this is, just how much physical punishment could Sentry take.
Surfer, we can clearly see surviving a planet destroying blast without a scratch. Sentry we can clearly see being KO'd by King Hulk when King Hulk isn't really pissed off at him.
what do you think would happen to Sentry's head, if say Surfer unleashed a few planet sodomising blasts of PC?
unless you think each one of King Hulk's punches were of sufficient strength to dust a planet, clearly that's more energy than Sentry took in the fight with King Hulk.. Sentry's head wasn't looking too good there.
Originally posted by carver9
Why is this even being debated when sentry has never had his energy drained. We dont even know if his energy could be drained. Your assuming that it can. Sentry powers is so different from others that its ridiculous.We dont know how much energy sentry was dishing out since he basically had it focused into one area. Thats why I said FOCUSED energy because it was just that, focused energy, so again how do we know the amount of energy that was being poured into that one spot since it was all directed at the hulk.
I know his energy wasnt being siphoned from him but that beating from hulk did help the process, thats common sense.
Show me surfer draining a equal in mere moments and even if he did do this what does that have to do against sentry when all that attempted to mess with his power have failed.
Name an enrgy based character in Marvel u know whose enrgy cnt be drained. Most if not all enrgy based characters in MArvel can have their enrgy drained by a proficient enough enrgy manipulator. its up to sentry to prove he is different. Surfer has absorbed nearly every form of enrgy he has come across. He has evn shown he can manipualte magical enrgy. Ive seen nothing that makes sentry different.
Also it really does not matter whther sentry was focused his enrgy or not. I agree he did focus it on WWH to some degree but it is irrelevant as he still used up all his enrgy in the fight. I brought the hulk example into this simply to point out the fact that sentrys enrgy can and does get finsihed.
In the WWH example it was due to him receiving numerous blows from hulk and also expending a great amount while attacking as well. I understand this and what im saying is it would be even easier for an enrgy manipulator as good as surfer to do finsih sentrys enrgy due to the fact that he can simply absorb all of it at once without having to use numerous attacks like WWH. Sentrys enrgy would be exhausted much faster when it is being directly siphoned.
Surfer draining his equal.
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The only attempts to mess with sentry have come from enrgy manipualtors considerably lower than SS and for the fact that almost all enrgy can be manipulated by a sufficient force in marvel then SS should be able to at least partially if not totally drain the sentry of his enrgy.
Is that the only feat that you can use against sentry is him fighting one of the strongest beings in marvel. I know you can do better then that. If you keep bringing that up Im going to bring up the times surfer has been koed by nothing but brute strength and basically got stalemated by vision.
what do you think would happen to Sentry's head, if say Surfer unleashed a few planet sodomising blasts of PC?
and do you truly think that sentry is going to just stand there and let surfer hit him or attack back with energy of his own or just his physical might.
there's several orders of magnitude difference between Sentry (focussed total output <<< what Hulk can take without having to be truly angry) versus Surfer (casually creating a black hole or obliterating a planet whilst engaged in a fight or giving a very convincing warning to an opponent).
cosmic cube>>>black hole and sentry was just fine.
another way to look at this is, just how much physical punishment could Sentry take.
I know that his durability is strong enough to stand up to black bolt whisper without flinching and dont even budge when the inhumans attack him and take a punch from thing that has made surfer stagger and shrugg off attack from genis and the collective.
Surfer, we can clearly see surviving a planet destroying blast without a scratch. Sentry we can clearly see being KO'd by King Hulk when King Hulk isn't really pissed off at him.
It was a planet destroying blast that he created, how could his own attack hurt him unless you have a scan of another feat of him being hit by a planet destroying blast and how do you know how mad hulk was during his fight with sentry, I didnt know that you had mutant powers also.
unless you think each one of King Hulk's punches were of sufficient strength to dust a planet, clearly that's more energy than Sentry took in the fight with King Hulk.. Sentry's head wasn't looking too good there.
King hulk when he was on planet sakaar (whatever the name of the planet), during that time he had planet destroying strength, when he got back to earth his strength increased due to his rage. I think that he was hitting sentry with much more strength to level a planet. How do you think surfer would be if he let wwh pound him in the head, do you think that he would be ok, if you say yes then its pointless for me to debate with you.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Name an enrgy based character in Marvel u know whose enrgy cnt be drained. Most if not all enrgy based characters in MArvel can have their enrgy drained by a proficient enough enrgy manipulator. its up to sentry to prove he is different. Surfer has absorbed nearly every form of enrgy he has come across. He has evn shown he can manipualte magical enrgy. Ive seen nothing that makes sentry different.Also it really does not matter whther sentry was focused his enrgy or not. I agree he did focus it on WWH to some degree but it is irrelevant as he still used up all his enrgy in the fight. I brought the hulk example into this simply to point out the fact that sentrys enrgy can and does get finsihed.
In the WWH example it was due to him receiving numerous blows from hulk and also expending a great amount while attacking as well. I understand this and what im saying is it would be even easier for an enrgy manipulator as good as surfer to do finsih sentrys enrgy due to the fact that he can simply absorb all of it at once without having to use numerous attacks like WWH. Sentrys enrgy would be exhausted much faster when it is being directly siphoned.
Surfer draining his equal.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/silversurfer07p47absorbdr2.jpgThe only attempts to mess with sentry have come from enrgy manipualtors considerably lower than SS and for the fact that almost all enrgy can be manipulated by a sufficient force in marvel then SS should be able to at least partially if not totally drain the sentry of his enrgy.
Answer this, if you were sentry and surfer was holding your hand but you all were fighting, what would you do with your other hand.
That trick isnt working on sentry and him absorbing powers from himself isnt a good example. Show me him doing it to someone of his power but just dont have his powers. Who dont know surfers power better then he do, I think that he should be able to absorb powers from that surfer.
Originally posted by carver9
Is that the only feat that you can use against sentry is him fighting one of the strongest beings in marvel. I know you can do better then that. If you keep bringing that up Im going to bring up the times surfer has been koed by nothing but brute strength and basically got stalemated by vision.and do you truly think that sentry is going to just stand there and let surfer hit him or attack back with energy of his own or just his physical might.
cosmic cube>>>black hole and sentry was just fine.
I know that his durability is strong enough to stand up to black bolt whisper without flinching and dont even budge when the inhumans attack him and take a punch from thing that has made surfer stagger and shrugg off attack from genis and the collective.
It was a planet destroying blast that he created, how could his own attack hurt him unless you have a scan of another feat of him being hit by a planet destroying blast and how do you know how mad hulk was during his fight with sentry, I didnt know that you had mutant powers also.
King hulk when he was on planet sakaar (whatever the name of the planet), during that time he had planet destroying strength, when he got back to earth his strength increased due to his rage. I think that he was hitting sentry with much more strength to level a planet. How do you think surfer would be if he let wwh pound him in the head, do you think that he would be ok, if you say yes then its pointless for me to debate with you.
I have bin asking this question continuously, What in the world is the sentry going to do to hurt surfer? Surfers easily the most durable top tier and i dont see how sentry is going to hurt him when he could not hurt hulk.
The cosmic cube thing is not really a durability feat. Sentry simply held the it for a few seconds before being knocked down by its power. Its not analogous with surviving a blackhole.
IMO sentry taking BBs whisper was a bit iffy when u come to think of it. It certainly was not a direct hit plus he was not the only one there and so guys like iron man could also claim to have taken it. And really i dont know why people keep referencing that genis fight as in truth it was not that great
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Also the hulk may have had planet busting strength but SS has survived planet destroying blasts before and can dish out planet destroying blasts. Anyhow, its not like the sentry took the hulks punches too well and he certainly would not take SS planet destroying blasts well either.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
I have bin asking this question continuously, What in the world is the sentry going to do to hurt surfer? Surfers easily the most durable top tier and i dont see how sentry is going to hurt him when he could not hurt hulk.The cosmic cube thing is not really a durability feat. Sentry simply held the it for a few seconds before being knocked down by its power. Its not analogous with surviving a blackhole.
IMO sentry taking BBs whisper was a bit iffy when u come to think of it. It certainly was not a direct hit plus he was not the only one there and so guys like iron man could also claim to have taken it. And really i dont know why people keep referencing that genis fight as in truth it was not that great
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Also the hulk may have had planet busting strength but SS has survived planet destroying blasts before and can dish out planet destroying blasts. Anyhow, its not like the sentry took the hulks punches too well and he certainly would not take SS planet destroying blasts well either.
You do know that blast is different then blunt force.
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that blast is different then blunt force.
Yes i do know that it is different.
Here surfer overloads firelord
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Originally posted by carver9
Answer this, if you were sentry and surfer was holding your hand but you all were fighting, what would you do with your other hand.That trick isnt working on sentry and him absorbing powers from himself isnt a good example. Show me him doing it to someone of his power but just dont have his powers. Who dont know surfers power better then he do, I think that he should be able to absorb powers from that surfer.
Actually surfer does not need to hold anybodys hand do drain them. Its not like SS could nt simply trap sentry in an ethel enrgy cocoon and immobilizing sentry and then drain him.
