Originally posted by ultimatethor
Now i know u are simply trying to be annoying. Hulk had already transformed back to banner before the cell incident and his anger had died down. What is ur point exactly?
THe WWH feats aren't any better than some of the other hulk showings. And there is no Proof what so ever that he was anymore poweful after his fight with sentry than before.
I keep seeing people leaning on the Aegis and Tenebrous trouncing that left the Silver Surfer cracked and crushed. This is and in no way should be something to brag about, yes he survived, but was he able to go toe to toe with them? Somene should bring up all of these Surfer feats, because this Sufer praise has turned into more hyperbole, and less actual feats. The Runner dusted him... Gabriel Airwalker construct nearly choked him to death, Galactus made Stardust with the capacity to defeat him, telling Stardust "that a day will come when Norrin gets out of line, and on that day you must sanction him". This is the same Stardust that was matched by Beta Ray Bill. I don't really need to prove much about Sentry's ability to resist enegy based attacks Genis also poured it on when battling him.
The Silver Surfer at this point in time has not proven that he can kill Sentry, or even affect him with the Power Cosmic, all other arguments are just the way that people feel. Proof has it that Sentry can resist the Surfers Power Cosmic. Once again let me list the beings capable of outputting power on or near the Surfers level.
1. Terrax
2. The Collective
3. Ultron
4. Genis Vell.
This is the extent of the feats that the Sentry has shown to date,,, as Quanchi said the Silver Surfer has him on feats.... but then again the Surfer has been around for decades.
Originally posted by fangirl101
THe WWH feats aren't any better than some of the other hulk showings. And there is no Proof what so ever that he was anymore poweful after his fight with sentry than before.
"What kind of ridiculous logic is this? WWH at the end of the story was releasing more enrgy than he has in his entire history. There is also the obvious thing of him taking a casual footstep an doing more damage and causing more devastation than he did throughout the whole of WWH . How can u say that it does not prove that he was more powerful at the end of the arc? Lets not forget that he was actually not trying to destroy anything and so was trying to apply only the force it takes to take a step. Howvwer at that point his taking a step was equivalent to wrecking the eastern seaboard. He had bin taking such steps throughout the arc and evn stomped multiple times without evn one tenth of this happeneing. It is just ridiculous. He performed a feat with a step superior to any other thing he did in the match.
Then to finish it off he was madder at that time than any other time in the arc and evn you should know what that means"
The T&A feat is worth noting because the characters are in Galactus' league. they are far and away above Hulk etc.
having survived such a beating, having sufficient strength, stamina and focus after such a beating to channel the Big Crunch energies is a huge feat.
ALL Sentry's power <<< Hulk's endurance, ergo Sentry doesn't have "limitless" or unquantifiable amounts of power, he is very powerful but not in the major leagues.
there can be no argument about that. Sentry's word, Stark's word, Grimm's word, the writer's word ... all say Sentry went all out, gave everything he had. the illustrations also depict that.
Surfer's gamma drained Hulk back to Banner and once almost killed him by accident because Hulk and Banner were separated. that means Surfer has the power to do to Hulk what Sentry couldn't and he can do so casually.
Surfer took attacks that smashed chunks off moons, Hulk has too, Sentry cannot withstand Hulk's barrage... again, not in any way shape or form has Sentry demonstrated sufficient power to lay claim to being in the same league 😐.
Originally posted by fangirl101
I ddint' find a need. The hulk didn't have any feats after his fight with sentry. the story pretty much ended.
did you tuck in for the night after reading the bit where Sentry was completely spent?
the only truly impressive feat of strength/power, in the whole WWH arc was the Eastern Seaboard shaking footstep... that was an indicator of what would happen if King Hulk had actually been a little ruthless.
all throughout WWH, King Hulk was pulling his punches, only hitting people with as much power as they could cope with... punting them out of the way, letting them run etc ... he wasn't attempting to unleash.
that step was the big feat ('scuse the lame pun).
Originally posted by janus77
The T&A feat is worth noting because the characters are in Galactus' league. they are far and away above Hulk etc.having survived such a beating, having sufficient strength, stamina and focus after such a beating to channel the Big Crunch energies is a huge feat.
ALL Sentry's power <<< Hulk's endurance, ergo Sentry doesn't have "limitless" or unquantifiable amounts of power, he is very powerful but not in the major leagues.
there can be no argument about that. Sentry's word, Stark's word, Grimm's word, the writer's word ... all say Sentry went all out, gave everything he had. the illustrations also depict that.
Surfer's gamma drained Hulk back to Banner and once almost killed him by accident because Hulk and Banner were separated. that means Surfer has the power to do to Hulk what Sentry couldn't and he can do so casually.
Surfer took attacks that smashed chunks off moons, Hulk has too, Sentry cannot withstand Hulk's barrage... again, not in any way shape or form has Sentry demonstrated sufficient power to lay claim to being in the same league 😐.
having control over an aspect of power that sentry does not in no way indicates more power. surfer draining hulk doesn't mean he is more poweful than sentry. that is a plot device win for surfer. he didnt' over power the hulk. That is a bad example.
Originally posted by janus77True WW Hulk was always holding back. Not a single person died so he defeated everyone he fought while holding back an donly doing what is necessary to defeat them not kill them.
😆did you tuck in for the night after reading the bit where Sentry was completely spent?
the only truly impressive feat of strength/power, in the whole WWH arc was the Eastern Seaboard shaking footstep... that was an indicator of what would happen if King Hulk had actually been a little ruthless.
all throughout WWH, King Hulk was pulling his punches, only hitting people with as much power as they could cope with... punting them out of the way, letting them run etc ... he wasn't attempting to unleash.
that step was the big feat ('scuse the lame pun).
The only time he lost control was at the end.
Originally posted by fangirl101
THe WWH feats aren't any better than some of the other hulk showings. And there is no Proof what so ever that he was anymore poweful after his fight with sentry than before.
Its not better huh, well here are a couple of instances that say hulk is more powerful then ever.
Doctor strange saying it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpg
Shield saying it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpg
Said again.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpg
and you want to know something, hulk was holding back the entire time he was on earth. Not one person died during that entire time hulk was in a rage, knocking people through building, creating thunder claps, etc.... so the people that he defeated, if he was going all out he would have crushed them.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg
Originally posted by carver9First scan destroys all of fangirls case.
Its not better huh, well here are a couple of instances that say hulk is more powerful then ever.Doctor strange saying it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpgShield saying it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpgSaid again.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpgand you want to know something, hulk was holding back the entire time he was on earth. Not one person died during that entire time hulk was in a rage, knocking people through building, creating thunder claps, etc.... so the people that he defeated, if he was going all out he would have crushed them.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg
It proves the angrier he gets the stronger more powerful he gets which I already knew. LOL. So it also proves at the end of the story that he was at his most powerful.
Good scan.
Originally posted by carver9
Its not better huh, well here are a couple of instances that say hulk is more powerful then ever.Doctor strange saying it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest.jpgShield saying it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest1.jpgSaid again.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/wwhstrongest2.jpgand you want to know something, hulk was holding back the entire time he was on earth. Not one person died during that entire time hulk was in a rage, knocking people through building, creating thunder claps, etc.... so the people that he defeated, if he was going all out he would have crushed them.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkintelligence.jpg
It's been said that Sentry is the most powerful blah blah. Statements mean lil in the context of a hyperboled, wankfest, PIS story that was WWH.
Originally posted by janus77
The Surfer's gamma drained Hulk back to Banner and once almost killed him by accident because Hulk and Banner were separated. that means Surfer has the power to do to Hulk what Sentry couldn't and he can do so casually.
Different powerset, draining the Hulk and draining Bob are two entirely different things. It has yet to be proven that Bob is susceptible to such an attack. The Sentry's bio states that he has vast psychokenesis powers, which keep his powers in check. The Surfer has yet to prove that he can break through such a defense.... the only two people capable of turning Sentry into a snivelling idiot was Doom with his magics, and Ironman's hacking of Cloc. However as I said earlier, the Silver Surfer is not going to just walk through Bob, there is actual proof that Bob beating the Silver Surfer is a bold possibility.
Originally posted by CaptainStoic
I keep seeing people leaning on the Aegis and Tenebrous trouncing that left the Silver Surfer cracked and crushed. This is and in no way should be something to brag about, yes he survived, but was he able to go toe to toe with them? Somene should bring up all of these Surfer feats, because this Sufer praise has turned into more hyperbole, and less actual feats. The Runner dusted him... Gabriel Airwalker construct nearly choked him to death, Galactus made Stardust with the capacity to defeat him, telling Stardust "that a day will come when Norrin gets out of line, and on that day you must sanction him". This is the same Stardust that was matched by Beta Ray Bill. I don't really need to prove much about Sentry's ability to resist enegy based attacks Genis also poured it on when battling him.The Silver Surfer at this point in time has not proven that he can kill Sentry, or even affect him with the Power Cosmic, all other arguments are just the way that people feel. Proof has it that Sentry can resist the Surfers Power Cosmic. Once again let me list the beings capable of outputting power on or near the Surfers level.
1. Terrax
2. The Collective
3. Ultron
4. Genis Vell.This is the extent of the feats that the Sentry has shown to date,,, as Quanchi said the Silver Surfer has him on feats.... but then again the Surfer has been around for decades.
Frankly this is proof of absolutely nothing against the surfer. The surfer did not go toe to toe with T and A who by the way are galactus level beings. He did howveer survive their aimed to kill onsluaght without being koed and still had the power to chanel the crunch. The runner dusted surfer? So what? Sentry would not stand a chance against runner in either a rcae or a straight up fight so the point is moot. Whatever Galactus said about why he made stardust is really moot as well as stardust is NOT the sentry, actually has no feats to put him above surfer, and to finish it all off that was all B4 surfer got his annihalation upgrade.
Id like someone to post that genis vell fight because it is being blown way out of proportion.
The arguments that are saying that SS cant hurt sentry have been laughable at best. Saying that the PC does not affect himjust because he resisted terraxs blasts is just plainly bad or should i say terrible reasoning. No proof has been provided for how sentry can KO surfer at all and yet people are saying that Sentry wins. Ridiculous. All that has bin provided is ABC logic.
Originally posted by fangirl101So you scoff at proof but continue to post your opinions and treat them as proof when your opinions arent supported by anything in the comic other than your interpretations?
It's been said that Sentry is the most powerful blah blah. Statements mean lil in the context of a hyperboled, wankfest, PIS story that was WWH.
Sentry has to prove that he is not susceptible to power drainage, seeing as even Galactus is. seems to be a fundamental given in Marvel, that energy of all types (including magic) can be drained/absorbed, provided the one doing so is more powerful than the one getting drained (or has better control over the energy).
Surfer has drained loads of characters, Hulk's powers are beyond Sentry's yet he's susceptible to Surfer draining him.
Absorbing man failed to drain Hulk, no?
Sentry v Terrax is not anything like an indicator of Sentry v Surfer.
what Power Cosmic attacks did Sentry face?
what energy manipulation did Terrax do?
what matter manipulation did Terrax do?
Terrax is far weaker than Surfer, it would be like using Warpath as an analogue of Hulk.
Surfer has absorbed souls, he has defeated characters on the astral plane... Sentry is just a sitting duck for him.
