Okay, let's talk about the Joker is he Evil, Chaotic, Sinister...WHAT?

Started by Master Crimzon4 pages

Well, the Joker is very much in control of his actions, so can he appropriately be titled 'insane'? Perhaps. He simply sees the world in an entirely different way that normal people do (or are even capable of doing). He's a psychopath, a sociopath, and a demented freak, but truly insane? I don't know. His so-called 'insanity' seems to be a strength, actually.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
Well, the Joker is very much in control of his actions, so can he appropriately be titled 'insane'? Perhaps. He simply sees the world in an entirely different way that normal people do (or are even capable of doing). He's a psychopath, a sociopath, and a demented freak, but truly insane? I don't know. His so-called 'insanity' seems to be a strength, actually.

I think a lot of serial killers are very in control of their actions but still insane to be doing what they are doing

In TDK, he seemed very sane, especially in scenes like the mob meeting scene. I think he's just what others have said: "Super Sane"

Heh.

I actually think that the Joker's insanity is a superpower of a sort. I mean, think of all the advantages it gives him:

-Complete ruthlessness
-Unpredictability. The Joker's plans and thoughts make no logical sense.
-Ability to think in a way normal people are not capable of
-Manic strength and speed, due to adrenaline surges.
-Immunity to mind-control

Y'see, while these aren't 'superpowers' per se, they still give the Joker advantages over a normal human being.

Indeed, and I like how in TDK, TAS, and in "The Batman" he's more of a fighter than in most comic incarnations.

Actually, the whole "JOKA iz a WIMP in fightin'!" delusion gets on my nerves all the time.

I mean, seriously. He regularly gets a few hits in Batman (the world's greatest martial artist) in combat, stuns him with his speed in the Man Who Laughs, for once example, beat the crap out of f*cking Cassandra Cain- an immensely skilled martial artist, defeated Catwoman in physical combat once, fought with Aquaman- a superhuman being- and actually got a few hits in, and, more recently, beat the crap out of Lex Luthor, is called a wimp in H2H?

Oh, and in Joker: The Last Laugh, when fighting Nightwing, the Joker sacrificed an opportunity to shoot Nightwing (and kill him), and instead taunted him mid-combat to kill him. When he actually tried to hit him, the Joker hit him without incredible difficulty.

Though, you are correct that the Joker is often portrayed as a murder with no actual combat skills. So, is the Joker a good fighter? I'd argue that he is a good fighter, but some people can argue that he is a bad fighter, and you can certainly see their point.

And yeah, I loved how TDK showed the Joker as not scared to get into a physical fight with people. The way he owned that cop put a sssssssssmile on my face.

It all depends on the version, but more often than not he's been portrayed as a great fighter, and the reason he was so great in ROTJ was because he had Drake's knowledge of all of Batman & Robin's moves.

Also, when the Joker first stepped on the scene he beat the crap out of Batman nearly all the time. I have a screen of one panel in which he owns Batman.

Joker isn't a full blown fighter, but he's extremely quick, is great with weaponry and tech, and is fairly good at hand to hand.

Well, the Joker's gadgets, crazy speed, manic strength, unbelievable endurance (seriously. When a guy laughs when you beat the shit out of him, it's kind of hard to disable him in any way), skill with conventional weapons, and ingenuity/creativity make him a good fighter. That's my opinion, at least.

And yeah, Da Joker, d'you mind giving me a panel where Joker owns the crap out of Batman?

The Joker's strengths is that he has no rules and he will fight dirty. He's best when he's messing with people's heads but he can hold his own fairly well in a fight, or at least take more punches than most from what I've seen.