Codename 47 vs Bob Lee Swagger

Originally posted by Placidity
I've already done it. Go back and look at it.

After you've then that,"quote it and disprove it, yeah, thats a challenge."

I explained it here:

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
And as for this, the whole scene where he asks if the SUV has the big engine, getting them to raise the hood, then taking a pic of the plates, that IS counter intel.

He was trying to make them believe he was interested in the engine, when all he wanted was the plates.

They saw through it because they are also trained in counter intel, and they know that he is trained in counter intel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterintelligence

Counterintelligence (CI) refers to efforts made by intelligence organizations to prevent hostile or enemy intelligence organizations from successfully gathering and collecting intelligence against them. Many governments organize counterintelligence agencies separate and distinct from their intelligence collection services for specialized purposes.

Any questions?

And this was your response:

Originally posted by Placidity
Nope. You just confirmed your intelligence level is very low. You still clearly don't know what constitutes counter-intel even after reading the wiki. Shame.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, just saying that 47 is no fool, he is sure to know his weapons inside and out, and know what they can do, and know their EFFECTIVE range. No way is he gonna take a shot out of that range. Would you?

He did it, he made it, he got a head shot. Are you now trying to psycho analyze him?

There's evidence in the movie that he can make such a shot, there is no such evidence for Swagger, not at that range, anyway. Now we move on to the overwhelming amount of evidence for 47 at other types of combat, yeah, he pretty much wins hands down. You screaming "but no gun can actually do that!" doesn't change a thing, we go by what happens in the movies.

Originally posted by Scythe
This is running in circles. RJ, how come you don't believe the rifle can achieve that distance?

I am talking about EFFECTIVE range here, which is what a sniper is gonna go by.

Originally posted by Placidity
Yea, I would, if I had enough skill to do it. Skill that 47 possesses.

Get it?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because...it's there......in the link......... 😕

I am talking about EFFECTIVE range here, which is what a sniper is gonna go by.

Here, who would win in a Hulk vs Swagger fight?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because...it's there......in the link......... 😕

I am talking about EFFECTIVE range here, which is what a sniper is gonna go by.

It doesn't matter if he shot someone 150 miles away while riding a horse, if it happens in the movie, that's what we judge it on.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
It doesn't matter if he shot someone 150 miles away while riding a horse, if it happens in the movie, that's what we judge it on.

He knows this, as he's argued that very same thing, when it benefits him of course.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I explained it here:

And this was your response:

and as for this, the whole scene where he asks if the SUV has the big engine, getting them to raise the hood, then taking a pic of the plates, that IS counter intel.

So let me confirm what I already know, so I can use it to stomp you:

The above is what you think constitutes counter-intel?

Now tell me, how does any of this...

counterintelligence (CI) refers to efforts made by intelligence organizations to prevent hostile or enemy intelligence organizations from successfully gathering and collecting intelligence against them. Many governments organize counterintelligence agencies separate and distinct from their intelligence collection services for specialized purposes.

...Apply to your bullshit explanation?

Yea, you don't know what counter-intel is even when the definition is right in front of your eyes.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What part of "effective range" do you not get?

What about it?

what part of "47 took a 4km shot" don't you get?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Because...it's there......in the link......... 😕

I am talking about EFFECTIVE range here, which is what a sniper is gonna go by.

What link? I'm not exactly following this thread's every move.

But regardless, I know it seems hard to believe, but it's in the film, there's no way arguing against that.

Originally posted by Placidity
So let me confirm what I already know, so I can use it to stomp you:

The above is what you think constitutes counter-intel?

Now tell me, how does any of this...

...Apply to your bullshit explanation?

Yea, you don't know what counter-intel is even when the definition is right in front of your eyes.

BUT

When you claim the 4 km shot is possible because it was stated in the movie, and I provide evidence that no rifle in the world shoots that far with an effective range, you are right and I am still full of shit?

Originally posted by Scythe
What link? I'm not exactly following this thread's every move.

But regardless, I know it seems hard to believe, but it's in the film, there's no way arguing against that.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, its hard to believe, and I am having trouble buying it, thats all.

Tough, as it is in the movie and that is what we go by.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Let me get this straight before we go any further. When I say Swagger is trained in counter intel because it is stated in the movie, and provide a perfectly good example of him doing so, an explanation, BTW, which was given to me by a USMC gulf war vet, I am full of shit.

Now tell me, how does any of this...

counterintelligence (CI) refers to efforts made by intelligence organizations to prevent hostile or enemy intelligence organizations from successfully gathering and collecting intelligence against them. Many governments organize counterintelligence agencies separate and distinct from their intelligence collection services for specialized purposes.

...Apply to your bullshit explanation?

Can't do it can you?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

When you claim the 4 km shot is possible because it was stated in the movie, and I provide evidence that no rifle in the world shoots that far with an effective range, you are right and I am still full of shit?

47, can use a rifle to get shots beyond a rifle's "effective range" - point? Are you showing that you don't know anything about sniping again?

But don't get sidetracked here, stick to your counter-intel BS first.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, its hard to believe, and I am having trouble buying it, thats all.

It's a FICTIONAL movie about a super assassin, which part of that can't you grasp? Seriously, no one can be this dense.

I can look through the verses threads and find many a post where you accept improbable and impossible feats from other fictional characters because "it's in the movie, so it counts".

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Exactly, its hard to believe, and I am having trouble buying it, thats all.

Well yeah, but you can't deny it, since it was shown. Those Transporter movies have alot of fake bullshit, but they're entertaining!

Originally posted by Placidity
Now tell me, how does any of this...

...Apply to your bullshit explanation?

Can't do it can you?

47, can use a rifle to get shots beyond a rifle's "effective range" - point? Are you showing that you don't know anything about sniping again?

But don't get sidetracked here, stick to your counter-intel BS first.

As for my BS explanation, Colonel Johnson (Glover) is a congressional medal of honor winner and is a CIA operative. Payne (Koteas) is also a CIA operative, so it's safe to say they are thoroughly trained in counter intel.

Swagger knows this, so he uses it against them, getting the information he desired by performing the whole "Hey is that the big engine" act on them. This in itself shows that he is trained in counter intel.

I know you aren't going to accept that as an answer, but you asked, so there it is. Accept it or not.

I have accepted that 47 can make 4 km shots, as ludicrous as that is. You have to accept that Swagger is trained in counter intel.

Why must we accept these things? Because someone in the movie said them.

I still think the 4 km shot is bullshit, but no one here is gonna question it, so I am forced to have to roll with it.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's a FICTIONAL movie about a super assassin, which part of that can't you grasp? Seriously, no one can be this dense.

I can look through the verses threads and find many a post where you accept improbable and impossible feats from other fictional characters because "it's in the movie, so it counts".

Originally posted by Scythe
Well yeah, but you can't deny it, since it was shown. Those Transporter movies have alot of fake bullshit, but they're entertaining!

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Can't deny that.

well yeah, but ya have to understand that in Hitman-world, such things would come into play, ya know?

I saw Torque the other day, and there's no way motorcycles go that fast, yet if the main protaganist of that film were to race Starsky and Hutch in their car, he'd win, even though the bike is made up, ya know?