Originally posted by ScytheYou forgot the chase on top of the train.
well yeah, but ya have to understand that in Hitman-world, such things would come into play, ya know?I saw Torque the other day, and there's no way motorcycles go that fast, yet if the main protaganist of that film were to race Starsky and Hutch in their car, he'd win, even though the bike is made up, ya know?
Originally posted by chillmeistergenI say they are on even ground, I know I am changing my stance, but the more and more I think on it, it makes sense.
So, who wins now, RJ?
If Swagger can take out a hundred highly trained mercs on his own while armed with an assault rifle and walk away without a scratch, then surely going against 47 with an assault rifle pretty much evens the odds.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I say they are on even ground, I know I am changing my stance, but the more and more I think on it, it makes sense.If Swagger can take out a hundred highly trained mercs on his own while armed with an assault rifle and walk away without a scratch, then surely going against 47 with an assault rifle pretty much evens the odds.
Woah, easy there soldier, you're yet to prove the 100 men thing.
Also, so now that 47 is factually the better sniper, he's no longer allowed access to his sniper rifle?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I say they are on even ground, I know I am changing my stance, but the more and more I think on it, it makes sense.If Swagger can take out a hundred highly trained mercs on his own while armed with an assault rifle and walk away without a scratch, then surely going against 47 with an assault rifle pretty much evens the odds.
You don't seem to think not even slightly that 47 might have the bigger advantage? Not a whole lot, but slightly?
Originally posted by chillmeistergenOh I know, when I get home I'll watch it again and give you a scene number.
Woah, easy there soldier, you're yet to prove the 100 men thing.Also, so now that 47 is factually the better sniper, he's no longer allowed access to his sniper rifle?
Both scenarios can be discussed, it's not up to me to decide this.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thats not the rifle 47 used though.Here, look at this:
You can plainly see that 47's rifle is not the rifle in the link. Even the shell casing is alot smaller than a .50 cal.
As for the rifle in the link:
Maximum Range: 7450 yards (4.2 miles, 6.7 kilometers)
Maximum EFFECTIVE range: 2000 yards (1.2 miles, almost 2 kilometers)
So anything more than a mile and a half out, for any rifle, is pretty a shot that cannot be done.
Yeah, they zoomed in on the building 47 was in. I paused it right before they zoomed in, and no way that is over a mile. When Swagger shot that can of stew, he was actually shown doing the calculations, preparing for the shot, even talking to himself about it, then he did it.
In Hitman, the federal agent (Wasn't he the baddie in MI2, BTW?) is talking on his cell and he is going on what he heard, that the Russians reported Belokov was shot at 4 kilometers. That in itself is heresay. It's not like 47 was shown acknowledging the shot was 4 kilometers, or was told by someone "shoot this guy from 4 kilometers out."
Not to mention that a shot at that range has a six to seven flight time, and the bullet that killed the Russian only travelled like two seconds before hitting it's target.
And you asked if any rifle can deliver a bullet at that range I provided a link that showed that a riffel could deliver a bullet to that range.
I'm not aware what type of sniper rifle it is, all I'm aware of is that it's a riffel that was stated in the movie to have the capacity to deliver two kill shots at four kilometers.
It's logical to assume that Hitmans rifle can perform that feat, because well it already has.
You have no way to gauge if there was over a mile, just like I have no way to gauge if Swagger shot a mile hence we have to believe what is said in the movie to be true, else Swaggers feat is just as worthless as you are trying to make hitmans since we have no information other then given that there is a mile ore 4 kilometers. We get confirmation in the movie what exactly the range was so the movie > you assumption on the range. What does it matter if Swagger had numerous calculations? For all we know Hitman could have sat there all day doing nothing but preparing for that shoot and Hitman in case you didn't notice it didn't have a dog right next to him to talk too.
No he just exploded his weaponry, that is sure not to leave anything behind except a bit of fire and smoke that the russians of cause will have noted, And why should they lie about the range that they lied about Belikov was one thing but why the range?
Again two scenarios that must be taken into consideration, It's a movie, things that a inlogical and most likely will not happen in the real world happens, two Hitmans rifle has just proved that it's more powerful then the rifle swagger used.
Originally posted by UtrigitaThis is all water under the bridge.
And you asked if any rifle can deliver a bullet at that range I provided a link that showed that a riffel could deliver a bullet to that range.I'm not aware what type of sniper rifle it is, all I'm aware of is that it's a riffel that was stated in the movie to have the capacity to deliver two kill shots at four kilometers.
It's logical to assume that Hitmans rifle can perform that feat, because well it already has.
You have no way to gauge if there was over a mile, just like I have no way to gauge if Swagger shot a mile hence we have to believe what is said in the movie to be true, else Swaggers feat is just as worthless as you are trying to make hitmans since we have no information other then given that there is a mile ore 4 kilometers. We get confirmation in the movie what exactly the range was so the movie > you assumption on the range. What does it matter if Swagger had numerous calculations? For all we know Hitman could have sat there all day doing nothing but preparing for that shoot and Hitman in case you didn't notice it didn't have a dog right next to him to talk too.
No he just exploded his weaponry, that is sure not to leave anything behind except a bit of fire and smoke that the russians of cause will have noted, And why should they lie about the range that they lied about Belikov was one thing but why the range?
Again two scenarios that must be taken into consideration, It's a movie, things that a inlogical and most likely will not happen in the real world happens, two Hitmans rifle has just proved that it's more powerful then the rifle swagger used.
RJ's recent history of "Movie vs" debating:
Swagger Vs...
Batman: Swagger's crosshairs find Batman while he hops out of his Batmobile to defuse mines. Boom Headshot.
47: Swagger's crosshairs find 47 while he's walking around looking for Swagger. Boom Headshot.
Han Solo vs...
Cyclops: Han spots Cyclops first. Boom Headshot.
Originally posted by Placidity
RJ's recent history of "Movie vs" debating:Swagger Vs...
Batman: Swagger's crosshairs find Batman while he hops out of his Batmobile to defuse mines. Boom Headshot.
47: Swagger's crosshairs find 47 while he's walking around looking for Swagger. Boom Headshot.
Han Solo vs...
Cyclops: Han spots Cyclops first. Boom Headshot.
In a nutshell, yeah. That is correct.
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Originally posted by PlacidityI never said Han would shoot Cykes in the head.
RJ's recent history of "Movie vs" debating:Swagger Vs...
Batman: Swagger's crosshairs find Batman while he hops out of his Batmobile to defuse mines. Boom Headshot.
47: Swagger's crosshairs find 47 while he's walking around looking for Swagger. Boom Headshot.
Han Solo vs...
Cyclops: Han spots Cyclops first. Boom Headshot.