Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, but he is SHOWN performing counter intel.
You're funny in your never ending excuses to have the character you idolize win. All Swagger does is take a picture of the front of a car with a camera-phone and they call it "counter intel". If he were really performing counter intel, he would have simply memorized the 7 digit license plate number and not given away what he was doing. Fact.
As I posted and you ignored, the intro basically spells out that 47 is trained to be the very best of assassins and trained it all manners of dealing death, just like the game. Do you think it's logical to just assume that some face-paint and shrubbery would trump that?
Edit: And as noted, every feat Agent 47 performs in the movie out-classes anything Swagger did; most notably what Swagger is best at, sniping. Sniper head-shot from over 4 kilometers to be precise, Swagger doesn't have a chance in any non-biased (aka non-RJ) scenario.
Originally posted by RobtardSure, why not. Doesnt change the fact that if it is not SHOWN in the movie, it doesn't count. SHOWN, or SAID by another character. Get it? got it? GOOD.
You're funny in your never ending excuses to have the character you idolize win. All Swagger does is take a picture of the front of a car with a camera-phone and they call it "counter intel". If he were really performing counter intel, he would have simply memorized the 7 digit license plate number and not given away what he was doing. Fact.As I posted and you ignored, the intro basically spells out that 47 is trained to be the very best of assassins and trained it all manners of dealing death, just like the game. Do you think it's logical to just assume that some face-paint and shrubbery would trump that?
Edit: And as noted, every feat Agent 47 performs in the movie out-classes anything Swagger did; most notably what Swagger is best at, sniping. Sniper head-shot from over 4 kilometers to be precise, Swagger doesn't have a chance in any non-biased (aka non-RJ) scenario.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
No, but he is SHOWN performing counter intel.
No? Yeah I didn't think so, good job.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Got a youtube clip? You say its at the very beginning?
One is supposed to know the background and material of each contender, why are you asking for youtube clips when you should already know this stuff? I wouldn't go to a Godzilla Vs. Hulk thread not knowing shit about Godzilla...
Originally posted by ScytheIt is stated he knows counter Intel, more importantly he is SHOWN performing counter intel, on more than one occasion. On the plates, while scouting the cities, when walking into the trap at the cabin. It is painfully obvious.
No? Yeah I didn't think so, good job.
One is supposed to know the background and material of each contender, why are you asking for youtube clips when you should already know this stuff? I wouldn't go to a Godzilla Vs. Hulk thread not knowing shit about Godzilla...So I forget one little scene and suddenly I know shit about the movie? I know 47's background and training, I just cant remember the specific scene he is talking about.
If you considered yourself a Godzilla fan, for example, and I ask you how many choppers were pursuing Godzilla through the city, and you couldn't recall the exact number, it doesnt mean you dont know anything about Godzilla, does it?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If you considered yourself a Godzilla fan, for example, and I ask you how many choppers were pursuing Godzilla through the city, and you couldn't recall the exact number, it doesnt mean you dont know anything about Godzilla, does it?
But it'd stop me from looking foolish by asking people when stuff happened in the movie.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, why not. Doesnt change the fact that if it is not SHOWN in the movie, it doesn't count. SHOWN, or SAID by another character. Get it? got it? GOOD.
It's called logical deduction. If Swagger never fired a gun while barefoot in the movie, would it be reasonable to say "Swagger can't fire a gun while barefoot"?
Anyhow, the thread starter said they're actively trying to kill each other, so your favoured scenario of Swagger hiding in the bushes in full cameo hoping to snipe a blundering Agent 47 just wandering into the kill zone, is as typical RJ Vs. thread nonsense as they come.
Originally posted by RobtardSwagger wasnt shown using claymores in Shooter, and I dropped them from the Swagger versus Batman thread. Even though snipers use claymores all the time.
It's called logical deduction. If Swagger never fired a gun while barefoot in the movie, would it be reasonable to say "Swagger can't fire a gun while barefoot"?Anyhow, the thread starter said they're hunting each other, so your favoured scenario of Swagger hiding in the bushes in full cameo hoping to snipe a blundering Agent 47 is as typical RJ Vs. thread nonsense as they come.
It's logical that 47 can use an M60 rifle, but since he isn't shown using one, it can't be used here.
See? If it's not SHOWN in the movie, it doesn't count. AC was right, it is MUCH easier this way.
Originally posted by ScytheWhat type and size tires does Bumblebee have in Transformers? And what type and size rims?
But it'd stop me from looking foolish by asking people when stuff happened in the movie.
Odds are, that even though I know for a fact you are a Transformers authority like no other, that you dont know the answers to these questions.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Swagger wasnt shown using claymores in Shooter, and I dropped them from the Swagger versus Batman thread. Even though snipers use claymores all the time.It's logical that 47 can use an M60 rifle, but since he isn't shown using one, it can't be used here.
See? If it's not SHOWN in the movie, it doesn't count. AC was right, it is MUCH easier this way.
Not arguing that Agent 47 could use something or not, just that some face-paint and shrubbery wouldn't thwart him, big difference. See?
Anyhow, your favored scenario of Swagger getting into a hidden position in a non-urban enviroment and Agent 47 coming bumbling and stumbling into the crosshairs like some bald Gomer Pyle is rediculous.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
What type and size tires does Bumblebee have in Transformers? And what type and size rims?Odds are, that even though I know for a fact you are a Transformers authority like no other, that you dont know the answers to these questions.
Faulty analogy, Scythe is talking about knowing important details about the characrers before you jump in with an opinion of who would win, not trivial nonsense.
A better analogy would be not knowing what type of weapons Bumble Bee possessed.
Originally posted by RobtardI only said that in a non urban environment Swagger has the advantage, and in an urban one 47 has the advantage.
Not arguing that Agent 47 could use something or not, just that some face-paint and shrubbery wouldn't thwart him, big difference. See?Anyhow, your favored scenario of Swagger getting into a hidden position in a non-urban enviroment and Agent 47 coming bumbling and stumbling into the crosshairs like some bald Gomer Pyle is rediculous.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I only said that in a non urban environment Swagger has the advantage, and in an urban one 47 has the advantage.
Now your backpeddling and sugar-coating, you said:
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
In a non urban environment, Swagger owns 47. Swagger is a master at camo, that is SHOWN in the movies. In the city, 47 will likely take Swagger out.
Which translates to: Swagger wins without a doubt in one scenario and Agent 47 has the advantage in opposite. Very biased.
This is what people often jump on you about, not being objective.
Originally posted by RobtardThats what I just said I said. Whats your point?
Now your backpeddling and sugar-coating, you said:Which translates to: Swagger wins without a doubt in one scenario and Agent 47 has the advantage in opposite. Very biased.
This is what people often jump on you about, not being objective.
Swagger has the advantage in the non urban environmet, he wins.
47 has the advantage in the city, he wins.
Where's the confusion?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Thats what I just said I said. Whats your point?Swagger has the advantage in the non urban environmet, he wins.
47 has the advantage in the city, he wins.
Where's the confusion?
Do you now the different between saying one guy "would own" in a fight and saying one guy "will likely win"?
Let me tell you, the first implies a sure win, the second implies a great chance. One is 100%, the other isn't.
See the bias now?
Originally posted by RobtardI see now where the confusion is, my fault for not being more detailed.
Do you now the different between saying one guy "would own" in a fight and saying one guy "will likely win"?Let me tell you, the first implies a sure win, the second implies a great chance. One is 100%, the other isn't.
See the bias now?
Swagger has the advantage in the non urban environmet, he wins.
47 has the advantage in the city, he wins.
This is where I stand now.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Fair enough. 47 takes this scenario then.I tend to agree.
This is the thing though:
Codename 47 vs Bob Lee Swagger
Bob is being targeted for termination by the Senator who has contacted the ICA (international Contract agency), and they have sent there best man to Philidelphia (47), he doesn't know where Swagger is located, but he has all intel on him, a deserted CIA agent has in turn turned over all information they have on 47 over to Swagger the two are now bent of the killing of the other.
They get three days to prepare.
Weapons and equipment: What they have shown in there respect films, (with restrictions Swagger isn't suddenly pulling out M107 and 47 doesn't suddenly have two MP5 on him realistic weaponry they have a chance of getting ore is already with them them)
(Sorry guys I tried to make a scenrio written, as the Moderator likes it but that didn't work out well so if this isn't sufficiant information please ask.)
It is never specified where they fight.