Originally posted by Bardock42I'll say this, if Swagger is hiding out in a hotel, for example, and 47 learns this, I'd say Swaggers chances of escaping are minimal.
I took that to mean he doesn't know where in Philadelphia he is located.But fair enough. We'd need to know that.
If he were to make it to the street, his chances increase a small bit. If he gets behind the wheel of a car, well, we have all seen what Swagger can do in a car.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'll say this, if Swagger is hiding out in a hotel, for example, and 47 learns this, I'd say Swaggers chances of escaping are minimal.If he were to make it to the street, his chances increase a small bit. If he gets behind the wheel of a car, well, we have all seen what Swagger can do in a car.
47 was hardly behind the wheel of a vehicle, does that mean he doesn't know how to drive?
Originally posted by ScytheI never said that, but there is the scene where Bob Lee escapes a horde of FBI and Police units, so we have seen his driving skills.
47 was hardly behind the wheel of a vehicle, does that mean he doesn't know how to drive?
47 can surely drive, but we don't know how good a driver he is, so we cannot argue that he would catch Swagger IF Swagger made it to a vehicle. Odds are it would never get that far, but you never know.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I never said that, but there is the scene where Bob Lee escapes a horde of FBI and Police units, so we have seen his driving skills.47 can surely drive, but we don't know how good a driver he is, so we cannot argue that he would catch Swagger IF Swagger made it to a vehicle. Odds are it would never get that far, but you never know.
By your recent argument that Danny Glover said Swagger's an expert at counter intel, you've stated that Swagger must 'holy god' know everything at counter intel. Yet in the beginning sequence of Hitman, it is said that 47 knows EVERYTHING needed to be the perfect assassin, meaning he would know how to kill outside an urban environment, since it applies to ya know...everything...
So judging by your thought-process, it would seem that if 47 never made a U-Turn in the entire movie, he must not know how to make one i the first place. Yet Swagger, who was shown attempting a pathetic excuse of counter-intel, was explained by Danny Glover that he's an expert. Yeah.... what....?
Originally posted by ScytheIt was Elias Koteas, and I never said he was a god at counter intel, only that he was trained in it.
By your recent argument that Danny Glover said Swagger's an expert at counter intel, you've stated that Swagger must 'holy god' know everything at counter intel. Yet in the beginning sequence of Hitman, it is said that 47 knows EVERYTHING needed to be the perfect assassin, meaning he would know how to kill outside an urban environment, since it applies to ya know...everything...So judging by your thought-process, it would seem that if 47 never made a U-Turn in the entire movie, he must not know how to make one i the first place. Yet Swagger, who was shown attempting a pathetic excuse of counter-intel, was explained by Danny Glover that he's an expert. Yeah.... what....?
47 isn't shown driving, so we don't know how good a driver he is.......It's not that hard a concept, is it?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It was Elias Koteas, and I never said he was a god at counter intel, only that he was trained in it.47 isn't shown driving, so we don't know how good a driver he is.......It's not that hard a concept, is it?
No it's not, but from the vibe of your argument, you make it seem that because in the movie Shooter it is said that he is good at counter intel, he's damn good at intel, yet you negate the facts about 47. Almost making it seem by your argument that since 47 was never seen driven, he must not know how to.
Originally posted by ScytheSure, if that's the way you wanna interpret it. 🙄
No it's not, but from the vibe of your argument, you make it seem that because in the movie Shooter it is said that he is good at counter intel, he's damn good at intel, yet you negate the facts about 47. Almost making it seem by your argument that since 47 was never seen driven, he must not know how to.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Sure, if that's the way you wanna interpret it. 🙄
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, nor did I ask for any sarcasm from you, it's hard to guess what you're thinking since your writing is all over the place. If you have a hard time stating things, then try again, rather than dodging.
Originally posted by ScytheI am gonna say it one more time.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, nor did I ask for any sarcasm from you, it's hard to guess what you're thinking since your writing is all over the place. If you have a hard time stating things, then try again, rather than dodging.
If it is shown in the movie, it it valid here.
If it is not shown in the movie, it is not valid here.
Get it?
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
It is stated he knows counter Intel, more importantly he is SHOWN performing counter intel, on more than one occasion. On the plates, while scouting the cities, when walking into the trap at the cabin. It is painfully obvious.
Not as painfully obvious as how you don't even know what counter-intel is. Neither does the guy that says it in the movie, because taking a picture of number plates is definately not counter-intel.
So was counter-intel shown by Swagger in the film? No.
Was it mentioned by someone that doesn't even know what counter-intel is? Yes.
End of Story. 🙂
RJ, if you want your hero to win so badly, go make a Swagger vs Aunt May topic, at least you won't have to hide your bias behind utter BS.
Originally posted by PlaciditySo Elias Koteas and Danny Glover's characters, a couple of highly trained government operatives, do NOT know what counter intel is?
Not as painfully obvious as how you don't even know what counter-intel is. Neither does the guy that says it in the movie, because taking a picture of number plates is definately not counter-intel.So was counter-intel shown by Swagger in the film? No.
Was it mentioned by someone that doesn't even know what counter-intel is? Yes.
End of Story. 🙂
RJ, if you want your hero to win so badly, go make a Swagger vs Aunt May topic, at least you won't have to hide your bias behind utter BS.
You said that someone in the movie mentioned it and that they dont know what they are talking about, and after all, THEY are the ones who said it.
Originally posted by PlacidityAnd as for this, the whole scene where he asks if the SUV has the big engine, getting them to raise the hood, then taking a pic of the plates, that IS counter intel.
Not as painfully obvious as how you don't even know what counter-intel is.
He was trying to make them believe he was interested in the engine, when all he wanted was the plates.
They saw through it because they are also trained in counter intel, and they know that he is trained in counter intel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterintelligence
Counterintelligence (CI) refers to efforts made by intelligence organizations to prevent hostile or enemy intelligence organizations from successfully gathering and collecting intelligence against them. Many governments organize counterintelligence agencies separate and distinct from their intelligence collection services for specialized purposes.
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Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
he doesn't know where Swagger is located, but he has all intel on him,
47 doesn't know where in Philadelphia Swagger is located that was the reason I gave both three days to locate there opponents, within Philadelphia, if Swagger wasn't in philadelphia there was no reason sending 47 there, to locate him, again my bad should have specified.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, sure it didnt.
Besides having the ability to take a picture of a car's license plate with a camera-phone (which he should have just really memorized and not given away that we was performing some half-assed counter-intel), what does Swagger do in the film that supports him being counter-intel savvy?
Also of note, it was a government car, so not sure what he would have done with the license plate number anyways, it's not like the car would be registered to Danny Glover and he could find his home address, ergo, it was a lame and useless scene.