Originally posted by raynorfenixHow could he defeat the Lt if he were only universal?
The Heart of the Universe made Thanos the almighty of a single universe, nothing more imo. Although Secret Wars I/II were pretty badly written stories, the pre-rc Beyonder was the top dog of the entire Multiverse.
That to me was PIS. I'd say that it was an LT m-body. Supposedly an m-body can have as much or as little power as its abstract allows. In this case, to me a universal embodiment cannot defeat an utterly Multiversal being so that to me says this LT m-body wasn't at Multiversal level.. not even close.
The nature and specifically the imperfection of the HOTU does not fit the TOAA definition imo. And as stated by the LT himself in GOTG #50, it is not possible to have an intermediate power between TOAA and LT, and HOTU is not TOAA then therefore the HOTU wielder cannot be more powerful than LT.
In the MvDC x-over. LT (or rather "an LT"😉 was clinging onto one of the Brother's sword. Zoom out far enough (which we do in Adventures of the X-Men #12) and we would actually see the entire battle taking place on the palm of a more transcendent LT's hand. In this MU:TE case, if we were able to zoom out far enough we would have seen the events of MU:TE happen on the palm of LT's hand. just my 2 cents.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
The Heart of the Universe made Thanos the almighty of a single universe, nothing more imo. Although Secret Wars I/II were pretty badly written stories, the pre-rc Beyonder was the top dog of the entire Multiverse.
Check out the bio of LT I think it was from two years ago, in LT's bio it states the HOTU took place in a specific universe, even gives the universe number IE how main marvel is 616.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
That to me was PIS. I'd say that it was an LT m-body. Supposedly an m-body can have as much or as little power as its abstract allows. In this case, to me a universal embodiment cannot defeat an utterly Multiversal being so that to me says this LT m-body wasn't at Multiversal level.. not even close.The nature and specifically the imperfection of the HOTU does not fit the TOAA definition imo. And as stated by the LT himself in GOTG #50, it is not possible to have an intermediate power between TOAA and LT, and HOTU is not TOAA then therefore the HOTU wielder cannot be more powerful than LT.
In the MvDC x-over. LT (or rather "an LT"😉 was clinging onto one of the Brother's sword. Zoom out far enough (which we do in Adventures of the X-Men #12) and we would actually see the entire battle taking place on the palm of a more transcendent LT's hand. In this MU:TE case, if we were able to zoom out far enough we would have seen the events of MU:TE happen on the palm of LT's hand. just my 2 cents.
yea but after everything was absorbed that in the universe...dont u think the LT would have blocked off the universe or something so thanos could not got any more powerful
Originally posted by fangirl101What does it matter if they dont exist anymore? For the purposes of this thread they exist.
The heart of the Universe doesnt' exist anymore and the Beyonder of Secret wars never existed.Heart wins. At least it actually was in some other reality.
It was never proven that it was in some other reality. Thats an internet myth. The comics say otherwise.
Originally posted by raynorfenixWhat proof do you have that it was an mbody?
That to me was PIS. I'd say that it was an LT m-body. Supposedly an m-body can have as much or as little power as its abstract allows. In this case, to me a universal embodiment cannot defeat an utterly Multiversal being so that to me says this LT m-body wasn't at Multiversal level.. not even close.The nature and specifically the imperfection of the HOTU does not fit the TOAA definition imo. And as stated by the LT himself in GOTG #50, it is not possible to have an intermediate power between TOAA and LT, and HOTU is not TOAA then therefore the HOTU wielder cannot be more powerful than LT.
In the MvDC x-over. LT (or rather "an LT"😉 was clinging onto one of the Brother's sword. Zoom out far enough (which we do in Adventures of the X-Men #12) and we would actually see the entire battle taking place on the palm of a more transcendent LT's hand. In this MU:TE case, if we were able to zoom out far enough we would have seen the events of MU:TE happen on the palm of LT's hand. just my 2 cents.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What proof do you have that it was an mbody?
A universal being (my reasons for believing him to be such, i've already outlined above, in addition to it also being in the actual name) instantaneously absorbs a Multiversal being of the highest order. The latter however has been to shown to use m-bodies. Since the scenario itself (universal absorbs Multiversal instanteously) is illogical, it can therefore be concluded that what was absorbed wasn't actually Multiversal but a much much lesser-powered manifestation.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
A universal being (my reasons for believing him to be such, i've already outlined above, in addition to it also being in the actual name) instantaneously absorbs a Multiversal being of the highest order. The latter however has been to shown to use m-bodies. Since the scenario itself (universal absorbs Multiversal instanteously) is illogical, it can therefore be concluded that what was absorbed wasn't actually Multiversal but a much much lesser-powered manifestation.
And why would the real LT not interfere to stop the imbalance Thanos was creating by absorbing everything?
Originally posted by bbrem123
yea but after everything was absorbed that in the universe...dont u think the LT would have blocked off the universe or something so thanos could not got any more powerful
Blocking-off universes is not the only sentence the tribunal hands out. Besides i doubt he needed to. IIRC it was only intra-universal balance at stake. Once Thanos had absorbed Eternity that took care of the imbalance of having two supreme beings in the same sphere. LT's motives are unfathomable to all others (including Eternity) so how he hands out rulings and sentences is completely up to him.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
And why would the real LT not interfere to stop the imbalance Thanos was creating by absorbing everything?
Other than the LT manifestation that he did absorb (whose level of power is still in dispute), logically speaking, EVERYTHING that thanos absorbed was already a part of himself. Absorbing them was just a formality.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
Blocking-off universes is not the only sentence the tribunal hands out. Besides i doubt he needed to. IIRC it was only intra-universal balance at stake. Once Thanos had absorbed Eternity that took care of the imbalance of having two supreme beings in the same sphere. LT's motives are unfathomable to all others (including Eternity) so how he hands out rulings and sentences is completely up to him.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
Other than the LT manifestation that he did absorb (whose level of power is still in dispute), logically speaking, EVERYTHING that thanos absorbed was already a part of himself. Absorbing them was just a formality.
The LT has also interfered when it came to Zom, Slorioth, Nebulos, Korvac, and Ereshkigal. None of them creating a two supreme being imbalance.
Unless there is proof that the LT that showed up was a M-body, we have to go with him being the real deal. As far as I know, it hasn't been retconned yet.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
Blocking-off universes is not the only sentence the tribunal hands out. Besides i doubt he needed to. IIRC it was only intra-universal balance at stake. Once Thanos had absorbed Eternity that took care of the imbalance of having two supreme beings in the same sphere. LT's motives are unfathomable to all others (including Eternity) so how he hands out rulings and sentences is completely up to him.
he handed no sentence....if he didnt want to stop thanos u would not have seen any sign of him there....and does it even say it was an m-body??
cuz it not y would u think it was one
all i see was LT getting absorbed by thanos
Originally posted by celestialdemon
The LT has also interfered when it came to Zom, Slorioth, Nebulos, Korvac, and Ereshkigal. None of them creating a two supreme being imbalance.
I was talking about THIS specific instance. I never said that having two-supreme beings is the only imbalance possible.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Unless there is proof that the LT that showed up was a M-body, we have to go with him being the real deal. As far as I know, it hasn't been retconned yet. [/B]
Yes but we can use what has come before to make sense of what has happened. Otherwise we can just throw logic (even if it is just comicbook logic) out the window. Hey Thanos is one of my favorite characters but im still yet to be convinced the HOTU gave him trans-LT power.