Originally posted by fangirl101
Indeed. There is one problem with the LT being an M-Body theory. When the aspects of his face have already been defeated within a single reality, that would automatically defeat the M-body of that reality correct?
I know it was suggested that characters like Stranger, Galactus and so on represented the parts of his face in Silver Surfer Volume 3, however that was never verified as canon.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I know it was suggested that characters like Stranger, Galactus and so on represented the parts of his face in Silver Surfer Volume 3, however that was never verified as canon.
Ah Ok. I got you. I have never thought the end was canon to the 616. But I do wonder about infinity. I've never seen any multiversal representations of her or any other representations of her outside of the 616. Can you explain how she is in this story?
Originally posted by fangirl101
Ah Ok. I got you. I have never thought the end was canon to the 616. But I do wonder about infinity. I've never seen any multiversal representations of her or any other representations of her outside of the 616. Can you explain how she is in this story?
Because you've never seen any alternate reality mentions of her doesn't equate to there not being any within Marvel.
What connects the realities of Marvel, making them a multiverse is a common, cosmic hierarchical structure.
Originally posted by Juntai
That's what I was thinking, verbatim.
He was talking about the theory that Galactus, Eternity and Stranger i believe(could be wrong) represent the faces of LT.
So he was saying if they were defeated, wouldnt that mean the LT mbody was automatically defeated. So he was questioning the whole M Body idea.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
He was talking about the theory that Galactus, Eternity and Stranger i believe(could be wrong) represent the faces of LT.So he was saying if they were defeated, wouldnt that mean the LT mbody was automatically defeated. So he was questioning the whole M Body idea.
But if that were true than LT wouldn't have been able to over power an IG wielder, which he can.
Originally posted by Mindset
If you are saying the whole is LT and the parts are Eternity, etc. then of course the whole is greater than its parts.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
In which case, why question the M Body theory because Thanos defeated what you thought were LT's representations?
Exactly. How can he the respresentations be defeated and leave the whole. It makes me think that One can never defeat the Lt. Unless He's defeated at the conceptual level. the physical absorbtion of the mbody means nothing as long as warlock was still alive. Becuz he knew the concepts, which means they still existed somewhere. inlcuding the Lt.
Originally posted by fangirl101
Exactly. How can he the respresentations be defeated and leave the whole. It makes me think that One can never defeat the Lt. Unless He's defeated at the conceptual level. the physical absorbtion of the mbody means nothing as long as warlock was still alive. Becuz he knew the concepts, which means they still existed somewhere. inlcuding the Lt.
You're overlooking the fact that Thanos ony absorbed one reality and LT is a multiversal entity, so the reference to the concept still existing within Adam doesn't add up.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Thanos only actually destroyed a universe within "The End"
The point is stated on panel and within the handbooks.Here's a discussion on the matter:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=431793&pagenumber=1
Ha! I told everyone I wasn't lying, thanks for helping me out GS! 🙂
Originally posted by raynorfenixIts canon not pis. He was confirmed as supreme in the summary of the comic here.
Thanos has used the words "Supreme," "Almighty," and "God" to describe his ascendance in the past. Althroughout this series, the word "universe" was repeated over and over. I have scans of those. The "omni-reality" that Thanos mentions would then obviously be all-reality of this universe. The setting was but this one singular universe. Him being able to absorb LT was completely PIS imo. Thanos never became Multiversally Omnipotent (i.e. no flaws, nothing logically possible being impossible, etc) with the necessary corollary of being Multiversally Omniscient (i.e. no being surprised, or confused, or any of that jazz) so i won't concede the point. Until then imo all his use of the words "Almighty," "Supreme," and "God" are but relative designations relegated to a single reality (or technically all the realities--"omni-reality"--within a single universe). Jim Starlin is one of my fave cosmic writers of all time (up there with Gru, Kaminski, Englehart, and recently Griffen) but he hasn't written anything good or thought-provoking since Warlock Chronicles imo. Those were issues that actually make you think about what makes the cosmos tick.I am aware of Thanos' reference of The End event in his own series. Sure, when considered in a vacuum, this series (even with that mention in his own series) gives the impression that HOTU made Thanos utterly Supreme. But that is not the metric by which continuity is measured imo.
Here is also further proof that eternity acknowledges that Thanos was now omnipotent and that he surrender his supreme power. So the front of the comic agrees with me,as does Thanos,as does Starlin,as does Eternity.
Originally posted by GalacticStormhow could a universal being destroy Lt and the rest with ease if he were only universal? To me it makes no sense and destroys this whole theory imo.
Thanos only actually destroyed a universe within "The End"
The point is stated on panel and within the handbooks.Here's a discussion on the matter:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=431793&pagenumber=1
Originally posted by fangirl101it is canon to 616 it was referenced in Thanos own series.
Ah Ok. I got you. I have never thought the end was canon to the 616. But I do wonder about infinity. I've never seen any multiversal representations of her or any other representations of her outside of the 616. Can you explain how she is in this story?
Originally posted by GalacticStormWhy would the Lt ge involved or his hands dirty if this were only a universal affair? Also there is no proof that this was an m-body. None whatsoever so how can you prove it?
This should be enough to confirm it was just that reality Thanos absorbed. With no reference to absorbing the entire multiverse, then that multiversal theory is unjustified.Thanos claiming to be one with the "omni reality" doesnt change the fact that he went on to absorb just the universe. Thats people just making assumptions about the implications of that statement.
Thanos absorbing LT doesn't confirm that he absorbed the multiverse. LT has been shown to use M bodies in the past. For all we know Thanos just absorbed LT's representation within that reality.
LT is a conceptual entity, therefore he must use M bodies to represent himself in any single reality.