Originally posted by bbrem123
he handed no sentence....
that was a response to your "block-off" comment.
Originally posted by bbrem123
if he didnt want to stop thanos u would not have seen any sign of him there
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It seems to me it all ended well.
Originally posted by bbrem123
....and does it even say it was an m-body??cuz it not y would u think it was one
all i see was LT getting absorbed by thanos
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I've already given a reason as to why i believe it to be an m-body.
Originally posted by raynorfenixOmnireality was used. Thanos was supreme. This was backed by the writer and by Thanos own series. Supreme means you answer to no one and he did just that.
A universal being (my reasons for believing him to be such, i've already outlined above, in addition to it also being in the actual name) instantaneously absorbs a Multiversal being of the highest order. The latter however has been to shown to use m-bodies. Since the scenario itself (universal absorbs Multiversal instanteously) is illogical, it can therefore be concluded that what was absorbed wasn't actually Multiversal but a much much lesser-powered manifestation.
Unless you have proof this is just your opinion. I have scans that prove my case while you do not. That sums it up imo.
Thread already made...by me. And mine has a poll yay.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=460217
Originally posted by Air Legend
Thread already made...by me. And mine has a poll yay.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=460217
You win!
Originally posted by quanchi112
Omnireality was used. Thanos was supreme. This was backed by the writer and by Thanos own series. Supreme means you answer to no one and he did just that.Unless you have proof this is just your opinion. I have scans that prove my case while you do not. That sums it up imo.
Thanos has used the words "Supreme," "Almighty," and "God" to describe his ascendance in the past. Althroughout this series, the word "universe" was repeated over and over. I have scans of those. The "omni-reality" that Thanos mentions would then obviously be all-reality of this universe. The setting was but this one singular universe. Him being able to absorb LT was completely PIS imo. Thanos never became Multiversally Omnipotent (i.e. no flaws, nothing logically possible being impossible, etc) with the necessary corollary of being Multiversally Omniscient (i.e. no being surprised, or confused, or any of that jazz) so i won't concede the point. Until then imo all his use of the words "Almighty," "Supreme," and "God" are but relative designations relegated to a single reality (or technically all the realities--"omni-reality"--within a single universe). Jim Starlin is one of my fave cosmic writers of all time (up there with Gru, Kaminski, Englehart, and recently Griffen) but he hasn't written anything good or thought-provoking since Warlock Chronicles imo. Those were issues that actually make you think about what makes the cosmos tick.
I am aware of Thanos' reference of The End event in his own series. Sure, when considered in a vacuum, this series (even with that mention in his own series) gives the impression that HOTU made Thanos utterly Supreme. But that is not the metric by which continuity is measured imo.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
Thanos has used the words "Supreme," "Almighty," and "God" to describe his ascendance in the past. Althroughout this series, the word "universe" was repeated over and over. I have scans of those. The "omni-reality" that Thanos mentions would then obviously be all-reality of this universe. The setting was but this one singular universe. Him being able to absorb LT was completely PIS imo. Thanos never became Multiversally Omnipotent (i.e. no flaws, nothing logically possible being impossible, etc) with the necessary corollary of being Multiversally Omniscient (i.e. no being surprised, or confused, or any of that jazz) so i won't concede the point. Until then imo all his use of the words "Almighty," "Supreme," and "God" are but relative designations relegated to a single reality (or technically all the realities--"omni-reality"--within a single universe). Jim Starlin is one of my fave cosmic writers of all time (up there with Gru, Kaminski, Englehart, and recently Griffen) but he hasn't written anything good or thought-provoking since Warlock Chronicles imo. Those were issues that actually make you think about what makes the cosmos tick.I am aware of Thanos' reference of The End event in his own series. Sure, when considered in a vacuum, this series (even with that mention in his own series) gives the impression that HOTU made Thanos utterly Supreme. But that is not the metric by which continuity is measured imo.
LT's bio that year, by marvel, states it was a single universe that "The End" series happened in, even names the universe number. I know GS has it, but i dont think hes awake at the moment.
Originally posted by Board Walker
LT's bio that year, by marvel, states it was a single universe that "The End" series happened in, even names the universe number. I know GS has it, but i dont think hes awake at the moment.
If you read the End you'll notice that Doom travels back and forth in time (more or less), entering different time-lines, also known as universes within the multiverse.
Atzela's realm, or universe is not part of the same multiverse as the one Thanos erased, why? Because it didn't share the same big bang. Atzela created it from scratch.
Now if you are willing to prove whatever you want to prove then use the search function. It help me find posts and scans all the time, so that I can use them (obviously giving credit to the original poster) in debates on other forums. I wouldn't even dream of leaching off Galan007's or Mr Master's nuts in PM just to get an explanation I know I can already find posted.
Originally posted by Board Walker
LT's bio that year, by marvel, states it was a single universe that "The End" series happened in, even names the universe number. I know GS has it, but i dont think hes awake at the moment.
I don't know if this is the reference you mean, but in the OHMU 2006 A-Z #1, the entry on Akhenaten describes the events in "Marvel Universe: The End" as having taken place in "the Earth-4321 reality" and not 616. It then states that "at least some of Earth-4321's events may have occurred in the Earth-616 reality, but the extent of this duplication remains unrevealed".
Always thought that the possibility of different "Supreme" beings in different universes was odd - how could they all be supreme? Are they really just supreme within their reality? It's like when the Infinity Gauntlet was said to be "supreme" and omnipotent, and the gems came from the "supreme being", but later we saw several other versions of the IG in What If alternate realities. Are they all "supreme" and "omnipotent" over all the omni/multiverse? How would that work?
Originally posted by raynorfenix
Thanos has used the words "Supreme," "Almighty," and "God" to describe his ascendance in the past. Althroughout this series, the word "universe" was repeated over and over. I have scans of those. The "omni-reality" that Thanos mentions would then obviously be all-reality of this universe. The setting was but this one singular universe. ... Until then imo all his use of the words "Almighty," "Supreme," and "God" are but relative designations relegated to a single reality (or technically all the realities--"omni-reality"--within a single universe).
I tend to agree based on what is said in Starlin's various storylines, and what Marvel says in the OHMU.
And anyway I was always swayed by the argument that Thanos was shown to be neither omniscient (there were gaps in his knowledge) or omnipotent (he admitted that there things he could not do even with his power), and therefore not truly = TOAA.
Originally posted by raynorfenix
Jim Starlin ... he hasn't written anything good or thought-provoking since Warlock Chronicles imo. Those were issues that actually make you think about what makes the cosmos tick.
I agree. Most of his stuff after the first Warlock chronicles tended to retread the same things over and over.
Thanos only actually destroyed a universe within "The End"
The point is stated on panel and within the handbooks.
Here's a discussion on the matter:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=431793&pagenumber=1
Within The End, Thanos absorbed all he deemed a threat to his reign.
As you can see below, he absorbs all around him until there is nothing left but a void:
Some people despite being given no statement of confirmation, chose to interpret this scene as Thanos absorbing all of the multiverse.
a) because LT was absorbed
b) because everything went black.
Well if you visit the thread i've placed a link to in my last post you will see that LT makes use of M Bodies. That is how he is in every reality he wishes to be in simultaneously.
With regards to everything being black. Well Thanos absorbed all beings and matter within the universe so that would be the case.
The fact that Adam Warlock appears from another dimension within the multiverse completely unscathed is further confirmation:
The two characters talk of how Adam missed the end of the universe whilst he was tending to the cosmic anchor of that reality Atleza.
The reason Adam travelled to confront Thanos was because Thanos had destroyed that single reality thereby ending Atlezas role.
Off panel they discuss the events that transpired, with Thanos saying on panel "and that is how the universe came to an end"
After Thanos fixed everything, Adam Warlock talked of how he could sense "the universe resuming its former glory"
This should be enough to confirm it was just that reality Thanos absorbed. With no reference to absorbing the entire multiverse, then that multiversal theory is unjustified.
Thanos claiming to be one with the "omni reality" doesnt change the fact that he went on to absorb just the universe. Thats people just making assumptions about the implications of that statement.
Thanos absorbing LT doesn't confirm that he absorbed the multiverse. LT has been shown to use M bodies in the past. For all we know Thanos just absorbed LT's representation within that reality.
LT is a conceptual entity, therefore he must use M bodies to represent himself in any single reality.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
This should be enough to confirm it was just that reality Thanos absorbed. With no reference to absorbing the entire multiverse, then that multiversal theory is unjustified.Thanos claiming to be one with the "omni reality" doesnt change the fact that he went on to absorb just the universe. Thats people just making assumptions about the implications of that statement.
Thanos absorbing LT doesn't confirm that he absorbed the multiverse. LT has been shown to use M bodies in the past. For all we know Thanos just absorbed LT's representation within that reality.
LT is a conceptual entity, therefore he must use M bodies to represent himself in any single reality.