Superman, Cyborg Superman, and Eradicator vs Thor, Silver Surfer, and Sentry

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um, A GL has enough power to create a black Hole. Guardian's are far Superior to Surfer. Not a damned thing. Stroking Surfer's silver sack isn't going to change the fact that he can NEVER beat Cyborg Superman. Oh and if oyu think Surfer is more durable than Henshaw, then how is it that henshaw stays nearly all the way in tact after a Galaxy destroying blast, and he didn't even WANT to live. Had he had his shields up, he wouldn't have been scratched.

Galaxy destroying blast is Henshaws highest durability feat.. We've got to go with normal showing otherwise there just no way both Thor and Surfer can be taken out, they have some real insane durability/physical reconstitution ability from say they're molecules being scattered across space and survive to shrugging of a blast from an abstract being..

Say bout TP attack, has anyone ever tried this on Henshaw?

I'd say Erad would be one who's the more dangerous of the 3, maybe the tie breaker or not lol..

Anyway bump...

Surfer is really the wildcard on Team 2. Sentry and Thor may as well not be out here, what are they really going to do against Superman, Superman+, and Cyborg Superman+

This fight can be renamed "Some combination of Superman, Eradicator, and/or Henshaw vs Surfer"

Thor can definitely hold his own against Supes.

So it becomes what? Erads vs Thor, Henshaw vs Surfer, and Supes vs Sentry?

Really this battle can believably go either way, but if Sentry and Thor go down we have a good idea how that happened (they got their chins checked) likewise, Surfer could conceivably red sun/K-nite beam Superman at the least...

We can go down the list of feats for all of these characters but if we only use their primary ones, I don't know how Surfer and Henshaw are going to beat each other. They'd be hard pressed to hurt each other in the first place.

Neither one is all that fond of brawling though I would say Henshaw wins if in a bizarre turn of events they start duking it out. Defensively, remember even Parallax couldn't just walk over Henshaw and that's saying a lot considering who exactly destroyed Coast City. Darkseid couldn't put him away in one hit with his Omegas and the guy was ruining Apokolips. Guardians can't even drop Henshaw.

I know Surfer has some great feats too, and it's hard to compare.

Overall I'd say Team 1 takes 7/10

Originally posted by Endrict Nuul
Probably team 1, Sentry is weak link.

Ummm....but SS is a major wild card and he could get the win for team 2.

Originally posted by Ambient
What issue did a GL create a black hole? 1 gl i can think off but he differs than the rest..

Galaxy destroying blast is Henshaws highest durability feat.. We've got to go with normal showing otherwise there just no way both Thor and Surfer can be taken out, they have some real insane durability/physical reconstitution ability from say they're molecules being scattered across space and survive to shrugging of a blast from an abstract being..

Say bout TP attack, has anyone ever tried this on Henshaw?

I'd say Erad would be one who's the more dangerous of the 3, maybe the tie breaker or not lol..

Anyway bump...

Erads has some insane TP abilities that usually go ignored. He's actually more powerful than Maxima, Brainiac, and Darkseid with that particular ability.

That's before even getting into Torquasm Vo, in which Erads is vastly more powerful than Superman using it.

Fighting on Earth makes things worse since Henshaw could conceivably take advantage of every piece of tech on the planet making it a huge numbers advantage on Team 1.

Originally posted by Mindset
Thor can definitely hold his own against Supes.

If Superman weren't a blur of red and blue he sure could.

Originally posted by Avlon
Erads has some insane TP abilities that usually go ignored. He's actually more powerful than Maxima, Brainiac, and Darkseid with that particular ability.

That's before even getting into Torquasm Vo, in which Erads is vastly more powerful than Superman using it.

Fighting on Earth makes things worse since Henshaw could conceivably take advantage of every piece of tech on the planet making it a huge numbers advantage on Team 1.

TVO is effy, lets just forget bout that 😛 ... lol

Nothing would be much left on teh battle field, no conceivable advantage on Henshaw in that regards..

Sentry??? Dont know how far in level his compared to the rest.. weak link maybe..

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The panel where Prime says "you're weak" There is a skeletal figure. You're using egregious leaps of logic and outright ignoring text and on-panel proof.

And even sub-standard battery is still more power than anyone here can muster. 100x a herald's level of power? Or the combined power siphoned from over 20 high end GLs over god knows how long?

Your bias is reaching Quanchi levels. 😄

The only power that was siphoned from the GL's was the power from their rings. You really think that a dozen GL rings have the capacity to rival a Central Power Battery or the Sinestro Corps Battery? Please. I'm not biased at all. I just read the comics. Henshaw and Hal talk about how the highmasters have the capacity to destroy a planet. Hal and Arisia comandeer one and destroy a planet (a third of one anyway as we see from this scan), and Henshaw is destroyed. How am I biased when I'm simply reading the comic for what it is:

Originally posted by Philosophía
Lulz at the reply.

I'm done here. I knew that sort of reply would be coming, which is why I hoped he'd have the dignity to at least admit he is wrong.

Anyway, whatever, I've proved my points 🙂

Originally posted by fangirl101
If Superman weren't a blur of red and blue he sure could.

yawn

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yeah... and that skeletal figure is pretty much what Anti-Monitor's corpse looks like right before he gets captured by the Black Lantern. Whereas, Henshaw's remains are a mere half a skull and a spinal cord. Ok... so who is ignoring text and on-panel proof here? Just read the comic and look at these scans for goodness sake:

The only power that was siphoned from the GL's was the power from their rings. You really think that a dozen GL rings have the capacity to rival a Central Power Battery or the Sinestro Corps Battery? Please. I'm not biased at all. I just read the comics. Henshaw and Hal talk about how the highmasters have the capacity to destroy a planet. Hal and Arisia comandeer one and destroy a planet (a third of one anyway as we see from this scan), and Henshaw is destroyed. How am I biased when I'm simply reading the comic for what it is:

No, you really haven't. You didn't even respond to the one question I posited or the one request that I had of you... which was to answer where the antimatter had gone and to point out where Henshaw's remains in that scan were. You completely dodged that question and request. But I don't really care to convince you personally. You had your mind made up a long time ago. You can sit there content all you want, as far as I'm concerned, I've provided ample proof that Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-busting blast and was BFR'ed into the antimatter universe during Sinestro Corps War.

So the Anti-Monitor keeps his Henshaw-sized skeleton in his forearm? That explains everything.

^ Does Henshaw's body look anything like that corpse that is subliminated in Anti-Monitor's form? And before you start to dodge that question by asserting that neither does Anti-Monitor's, why don't you go ahead and describe the difference between Anti-Monitor's gigantic Sinestro Corps War form and the diminished form he has when he lands on the Black Lantern's planet? Do that for me.

Firstly, yes. It even has a bifurcated skull like Henshaw's. Secondly, I don't see any kind of size reference as far as the Anti-monitor's skeleton goes.

^ I don't see a bifurcated skull at all. But your second point about the lack of size reference is certainly reasonable. But the bottom-line is, Anti-Monitor's form was nowhere similar to the armored form he wore in Sinestro Corps War. He was reduced to a skeletal form. And I believe that the skeletal form you see in this scan here, is Anti-Monitor's:

Why do I think that? Two reasons: 1) it'd be beyond mere coincidence that Superman Prime accidentally BFR'ed Henshaw along with Anti-Monitor; and 2) if they were BFR'ed together, wouldn't they end up in the same place?

It's obvious they don't. But then again, only time will tell whether or not Henshaw was BFR'ed into the antimatter universe. Yes, the Manhunters operate mainly in the antimatter universe and their appearance in reviving Henshaw is indicative that they are in the antimatter universe, but it's just as arguable that there are some operating in the positive matter universe as well. Had I absolute and unequivocal proof he was, I would have posted it. As I'm sure you would have done the same. We'll have to wait and see who's right. Either way, this is a purely peripheral issue about Henshaw's remains surviving the full brunt of a galaxy-destroying blast or being shunted into the antimatter universe. And it's a completely moot issue, considering Hal and Arisia defeated him with a planet-busting blast.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No, you really haven't. You didn't even respond to the one question I posited or the one request that I had of you... which was to answer where the antimatter had gone and to point out where Henshaw's remains in that scan were. You completely dodged that question and request. But I don't really care to convince you personally. You had your mind made up a long time ago. You can sit there content all you want, as far as I'm concerned, I've provided ample proof that Henshaw was destroyed by a planet-busting blast and was BFR'ed into the antimatter universe during Sinestro Corps War.

Before I'd actually bother to answer any of your questions, you'd have to prove pretty much any of your points, which up until now you haven't been able to. What is even more sad, is that you are actually grasping at straws, which I pretty much foretold that you would do. It's goddamn obvious that Henshaw wasn't transported through some sort of miraculous 'portal' to the Anti-Matter Universe as you assume, and it's also obvious that the skeletal figure next to Anti-Monitor's body is actually Henshaw. I find opposing this notion so absurd, so illogical, that I just simply realize it's useless to have this conversation with you.

Originally posted by Ambient
Nah i wouldn't go that far with Erads TP..

It's been shown on panel. 🙂
Erads TP>Maxima, Darkseid, Maxwell Lord, and Braniac.

On top of that, he's been shown to mind rape with a touch as well.

It's all in his respect thread.

Originally posted by Ambient
TVO is effy, lets just forget bout that 😛 ... lol

Let's not. 🙂

He used it to nearly mindwipe Supes using just a tiny portion of his power.

Originally posted by Ambient
Nothing would be much left on the battle field, no conceivable advantage on Henshaw in that regards..

The battlefield is earth..so unless they are wasting the planet itself...
Not like it matters, it doesn't have to be working tech for Henshaw to instantly make a body or utilize some sort of tech while simultaneously fighting.

Originally posted by Ambient
Sentry??? Dont know how far in level his compared to the rest.. weak link maybe..

Probably, if he isn't mindraped or matter manipulated by Erads or Henshaw doesn't drive him insane with multiple clocs.

So... the skeleton cyborg figure that looked like half a Henshaw was actually half of the very flesh looking Anti-Monitor, and then... he healed the rest of his body completely?

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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So... the skeleton cyborg figure that looked like half a Henshaw was actually half of the very flesh looking Anti-Monitor, and then... he healed the rest of his body completely?

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Apparently. Nevermind that we see Anti-monitors arm in the panel before and then a close up of the same arm with henshaws body on it. 😕

Originally posted by Avlon
Apparently. Nevermind that we see Anti-monitors arm in the panel before and then a close up of the same arm with henshaws body on it. 😕

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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Well... thanks for clearing that up. 👆

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