Originally posted by fangirl101
What the hell makes current SS any more powerful than the old version or anyone on team one?
Well aside the obvious reason he was "upgraded" multiple times, him being able to shield multiple ships from galactus while in a different location by simply blinking is quite a great feat.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's good. But Eradicator has better when he's not jobbing. And let's not get into Henshaw.
Actually i wanted to emphasize current SSs superiority to classic SS in that area. Classic SS has never shown the ability to create shields on that level that is the ability to shield multiple large objects in an entirely different location without moving. I was trying to emphasize self improvement.
Originally posted by Avlon
Erads has some insane TP abilities that usually go ignored. He's actually more powerful than Maxima, Brainiac, and Darkseid with that particular ability.That's before even getting into Torquasm Vo, in which Erads is vastly more powerful than Superman using it.
Fighting on Earth makes things worse since Henshaw could conceivably take advantage of every piece of tech on the planet making it a huge numbers advantage on Team 1.
Originally posted by Ambient
Sorry man but those TP feat you mention are just blown out of proportions.. I've never seen him owned Darkseid or Brainiac through TP and the Maxima feat was nothing more than a mental persuasion same thing she used against Capt. Atom..
His respect thread shows it all. He's done better against Supes than all of the above including Despero.
Then there is this. Mind rape in a touch.
Originally posted by Avlon
His respect thread shows it all. He's done better against Supes than all of the above including Despero.Then there is this. Mind rape in a touch.
I can think of a few reason why his done better in terms of mind manipulation towards Supes than the rest; 1.) Is that he is quite familiar with Kryptonian biology, 2.) Supes at that time has had a very limited to non interaction against tp intrusion, 3.) He knows him far greater than himself..
I've seen mindrape without a touch from a char. i consider far lower in class..
Originally posted by Ambient
Yup i did browse his respect thread and i dont see anything even remotely close to what you where suggesting.. Only thing i see dough is his got a relative resistance against it..
In comparison, nobody else has even come close. He even overrode Maxima's TP on panel with ease.
Originally posted by Ambient
I can think of a few reason why his done better in terms of mind manipulation towards Supes than the rest; 1.) Is that he is quite familiar with Kryptonian biology, 2.) Supes at that time has had a very limited to non interaction against tp intrusion, 3.) He knows him far greater than himself..
The Cleric, Matrix, scientists, and Maxima aren't kryptonian and he had no problem using TP or overriding them. In addition to that, all of those characters tried it in the same time frame on Supes, and Erads was still by far the most succesful. Even to this day.
Originally posted by Ambient
I've seen mindrape without a touch from a char. i consider far lower in class..
The fact that he can minrape with such a simple touch gesture in addition to his standard TP abilities is impressive. Once you add how powerful his T-vo abilities are to that (as Kem-EL) on top of that, things are even better.
Originally posted by Avlon
In comparison, nobody else has even come close. He even overrode Maxima's TP on panel with ease.]
Like i said high resistance or his brain activity function at far higher speed than Maxima's tp intrusion (can't exactly remember the feat).. Anyhow Superman, Capt. Atom, Hal overrode Maxima's tp with ease through will alone, not exactly a very high feat. deserving higher level than the above mentioned char. tp wise..
Originally posted by Avlon
The Cleric, Matrix, scientists, and Maxima aren't kryptonian and he had no problem using TP or overriding them. In addition to that, all of those characters tried it in the same time frame on Supes, and Erads was still by far the most succesful. Even to today standard..
His tp is useless against this fight, the chars. his up against have far better showing in terms of offensive/defensive tp manipulation compared to his.. Cept Sentry??? Just my 2 cent..
Originally posted by Avlon
Once you add how powerful his T-vo abilities are to that (as Kem-EL) on top of that, things are even better.
Originally posted by Ambient
but in no way made him above DS, Maxima, Brainiac like you suggested..Like i said high resistance or his brain activity function at far higher speed than Maxima's tp intrusion (can't exactly remember the feat).. Anyhow Superman, Capt. Atom, Hal overrode Maxima's tp with ease through will alone, not exactly a very high feat. deserving higher level than the above mentioned char. tp wise..
In comparison to those, it sure does make him more powerful with that particular ability. It's on panel. Erads had a much easier and much more effective run with it than anyone else.
Originally posted by Ambient
Outside Maxima the rest i dont consider top tier t-pier.. The Maxima feat he did no more than defend against tp intrusion not necessary make him above maxima tp... The rest is covered by above post..
He went inside her "illusion" and overrode it with ease. That's pretty impressive considering he was halfway around the world. He mindraped a bunch of humans to think they were kryptonian and carry out kryptonian duties. Absorbed the Clerics, Kem-EL's, Superman's, and David/Sarah Connors memories and mindraped Matrix.
Originally posted by Ambient
His tp is useless against this fight, the chars. his up against have far better showing in terms of offensive/defensive tp manipulation compared to his.. Cept Sentry??? Just my 2 cent..
Better than Superman? This you would have to prove. Leonidas made a good case for Maxima vs Thor alone with TP in one of the tournies.
Has anyone on team 2 been able to mindrape a Superman class character?
Originally posted by Ambient
There is so much uncertainty about Torquasm Vo; strength, limitation, etc..etc... For all we know its just a meditation that allow kryptonian to inter into the astral plane, anyone with the expertness to go back and forth in such plane could leave or continue during combat and i hear both needs to accept in order to proceed to fight in that state.. Like i said T-vo is too vaque and besides we havent really seen what Erad's can do with that technique other than against a kryptonian and a pre-tvo 😄 Supes.. Is all
It's not vague at all. Supes sucked in non-kryptonians and even non living things into it. He's made illusions/upped his magical & physical defense/tapped into his opponents powerset/and has made independent constructs. It's no less vague than "power cosmic."
Originally posted by Avlon
(1) In comparison to those, it sure does make him more powerful with that particular ability. It's on panel. Erads had a much easier and much more effective run with it than anyone else.(2) He went inside her "illusion" and overrode it with ease. That's pretty impressive considering he was halfway around the world. He mindraped a bunch of humans to think they were kryptonian and carry out kryptonian duties. Absorbed the Clerics, Kem-EL's, Superman's, and David/Sarah Connors memories and mindraped Matrix.
(3) Better than Superman? This you would have to prove. Leonidas made a good case for Maxima vs Thor alone with TP in one of the tournies.
(4) It's not vague at all. Supes sucked in non-kryptonians and even non living things into it. He's made illusions/upped his magical & physical defense/tapped into his opponents powerset/and has made independent constructs. It's no less vague thn "power cosmic."
Do you really think that current Supes would fall down against Erads tp wise?? He'd get T-vo'd to oblivion.. Like i said Supes in the past we're prone to tp intrusion like losing his powers through mental suggestion and the likes doubt it'd work against him now..
(2) No, Maxima brought her inside the illusion and like i said there are a few who broke similar feat from Maxima with ease..
All very impressive but it make's him nowhere on the level of DS/Despero/Brainiac whom are top tier tp wise... This guys have mindwipe an entire civilization with slight to higher resistant towards mental attack it just don't compare..
(3) Sentry??? But Surfer and Thor they've got quite a few TP offensive/resistance feat... lets just say they're are not going down against Erads mental attacks...
(4) Its vaque man 😄 ..
When did he sucked in someone into the astral plane? Are you referring to the Dominus feat..
PC manipulates energy which makes up matter. There are defined strength and limitation like say magic..
T-VO? Astral plain maybe, how does it exactly copy his opponents ability and someone at a multiversal level? What are limitation?? There is just not enough defined explanation to what it is.. Vague..
Thats it for now bro..
