Originally posted by complexbrotherAnd the Fact that he's pretty well mastered in Martial Arts and continually beats characters "Out of his league"
Black Panther. the only reason Wolvie is in his league is because of the healing factor and the fact that Logan has a hard time accepting defeat. (too stubborn to fall)
Originally posted by Trackz
in their fight sparring session during civil war, Black Panther ended the session in possession of caps shield and poised to cut his head off
Well..it was a sparring session right? Storm knocked Wolverine down in a sparring session followed up by Bishop gaining the upper hand in another sparring session using Bokken. So yeah...I'd much prefere a serious fight. Besides, Wolverine defeated cap last time they fought and he didn't even use his claws to do it....based on this fight alone, there's no reason to disgregard Logan's status as a top-tier martial artist. Not saying he's better than BP.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He told Wolverine it was a game once, then he went into hiding. He knew full well that Wolverine was taking the fight seriously and seeing as Panther himself was the one who re-initiated the fight at that point he must have been taking the fight seriously as well, or it was a bone headed decision on his part. He kicked Wolverine off him only because Thing showed up and distracted Wolverine, as Panther himself more or less admitted.
He wasnt taking the fight serioulsy!!!!! When Wolverine was distracted Wolverine had the upperhand because BP hadnt been taking it serioulsy.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Even though I think the burden of proof is on you to prove that BP is more skilled, I'll still indulge you. Wolverine has a track record against high tier MA's that is pretty much unmatched. He has stomped Shang-Chi into the ground in three panels, got DD in a full-nelson in two after DD attacked him, was winning his fight against Junzo (an amped up Iron-Fist MA with control over the elements who punked Danny), almost always wreaks SS effortlessly (and SS has punked Spider-man, shown himself to be more skilled than a superhuman android programed with every known MA, and held his own against a dragon), Wolverine even managed to hold his own in a brief exchange with Stick.
He also got one-shoted by DD and BP has a better track record against Cap.
You're still using that full-nelson thing after it was explained to you. Stick wasnt taking the fight serioulsy. Oh and Punisher has a better track record against Wolverine.
Originally posted by The Real WolvieTHe previous Black Panther defeated Captain America as well, the ritual in wakanada requires that each black panther be better than the next (they have to beat them in combat)
Well..it was a sparring session right? Storm knocked Wolverine down in a sparring session followed up by Bishop gaining the upper hand in another sparring session using Bokken. So yeah...I'd much prefere a serious fight. Besides, Wolverine defeated cap last time they fought and he didn't even use his claws to do it....based on this fight alone, there's no reason to disgregard Logan's status as a top-tier martial artist. Not saying he's better than BP.
I'm not saying BP is better, someone said that Wolverine was more skilled, I wanted to know how they came to that conclusion
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He wasnt taking the fight serioulsy!!!!! When Wolverine was distracted Wolverine had the upperhand because BP hadnt been taking it serioulsy.He also got one-shoted by DD and BP has a better track record against Cap.
You're still using that full-nelson thing after it was explained to you. Stick wasnt taking the fight serioulsy. Oh and Punisher has a better track record against Wolverine.
Punisher has a good track record because of weapons not because of H2H. And he's had a lot of luck by his own admission. Seems like whenever Wolverine beats someone, they aren't taking the fight seriously. Not saying he beat stick but he did manage to dodge him and stick WAS trying to hit him. Hard to say that BP has a BETTER track record when Logan and Cap have only really fought twice and Logan has beaten him both times....once with a headbutt the other time with a kick to the leg...what was the explanation for getting DD in a full nelson?
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Punisher has a good track record because of weapons not because of H2H. And he's had a lot of luck by his own admission.
When did he say that he had alot of luck? Wolverine uses weapons also and Punisher has used weapons against DD but DD still did better.
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Seems like whenever Wolverine beats someone, they aren't taking the fight seriously. Not saying he beat stick but he did manage to dodge him and stick WAS trying to hit him.
Read the fight again BP clearly wasnt taking it as serioulsy as Wolverine was. Is Wolverine and enemy of Stick? Was Stick trying to destory him? Its a good feat but you're not setioulsy trying to tell me that Wolverine can beat Stick?
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
Hard to say that BP has a BETTER track record when Logan and Cap have only really fought twice and Logan has beaten him both times....once with a headbutt the other time with a kick to the leg
Becuase BP did well against Cap while injured. 😐
Originally posted by The Real Wolvie
...what was the explanation for getting DD in a full nelson?
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stone telling DD not to be reckless.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dontberecklessdddx3.png
Buskwacker saying the real DD would never take a bullet.
http://img241.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ddtakesabullet2nc6.pngThey both indicate that the armoured DD was more wreckless and aggressive. I also think that it was also implied that DD was suffering some sort of mental breakdown.
From another discussion in another forum
Originally posted by Visitor Q
He's kind of right, though I don't remember the exact reference he's citing off the top of my head. In another instance during the armored days, Bushwacker managed to shoot DD twice in the chest, then basically said, "That would've never happened to the REAL Daredevil" (everyone was under the impression that the armored DD was an entirely different person).
Eventually, the armored days became an embarrassment Marvel wanted to quickly forget, so it was revealed that the armored persona was really a symptom of a breakdown Matt was having (which was obviously not the original writer's intent, of course, and he has plenty of good feats from that era, too), and it was all swept under the rug and ignored forever.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daredevil_(Marvel_Comics)
Daredevil's secret identity becomes public knowledge[when?]. Forced to fake his own death and change his uniform to an armored "razor costume", Murdock undergoes one of his numerous breakdowns. The change does not last, and Daredevil soon returns to his traditional red costume, while Murdock finds a way to convince the world that he is not, in fact, secretly Daredevil (courtesy of a deus ex machina doppelgänger).
