Monarch vs Thanos

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont have to assume anything like that. I assume he can use multiple shielding when he wants to. He needed it and used it. The multiple shielding bought him enough time to accomplish his goal here.

So your entire argument is to assume whatever makes it so that Thanos is likely to win? Good to know.

Originally posted by quanchi112
From the picture it looks like at least half of the planet was blown up as a result of their battle. Making it more impressive than a continental destroying blast imo.

Drax contributed to some of the damage and it seems like they must have been really going at it. Monarch destroyed the continent with hardly any effort at all. Thanos can't replicate that sort of power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was stated on panel. If we go with your statements then we believe nothing unless we see it happen on panel.

Usually the best policy and the one typically followed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So the burden of proof falls on you to prove he was incorrect in his assessment of the situation.

Again, you cannot ask someone to prove a negative.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So your entire argument is to assume whatever makes it so that Thanos is likely to win? Good to know.

Drax contributed to some of the damage and it seems like they must have been really going at it. Monarch destroyed the continent with hardly any effort at all. Thanos can't replicate that sort of power.

Usually the best policy and the one typically followed.

Again, you cannot ask someone to prove a negative.

I fyou really think continent destroying power can beat Thanos then you must be ignoring his battle with Odin,Tyrant,his stomp of Surfer,his battle with power gem Thor,etc. to prove your case. Just because you can destroy a planet that doesnt mean you can beat someone who hasnt destroyed one on panel to this point. Sentry beating Drax and Thanos beating the Surfer are prime examples.

No we must use common sense and think logically imo. Maker had the power to do the said feat and we must take this statement as factual because it happened and the security was shut down. tell me what really happened then. If you have no theory or cant explain what happened then we go by the statement on panel.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I dont think its proven that Prime is faster. The Surfer can go just as fast as the speed of light if not faster. Red solar energy affects him. It took Prime some time to beat on Ion as well and he is nothing special imo. Surfer by feats>>>>>Ion by feats. So I think this will be a prolonged battle and one in which the Surfer could win due to Prime's red solar energy weakness.

Thanos beats Surfer very quickly but it takes Prime time and even after Ion was affected by his daxamite weakness he still recovered and wasnt beaten as quickly as Thanos beats the Surfer. Also Thanos doesnt have any weaknesses like Prime has that the Surfer can exploit.

With the guardian upgrade it isnt close but this should be prime at his base vs Surfer at his base. Why give Prime a powerup and not the Surfer? Thor before he got the power gem beat the Surfer. With the power gem he crushed the Surfer,the Watch,and Strange. Thor doesnt have to destroy a planet to prove he is powerful because he destroyed a planet destroyer by himself before he even got the power gem.

When has Prime ripped anyone comparable to the Surfer in half? It took him time to beat Ion who was a rookie in every sense of the word.

It's not a debatable point dude, prime speedblitz 3 flashes in close quarters and traversed accross the universe moving planets so quickly they appear to materialize instantly. Not to mention he routinly smacks hords of top tiers on a consistent basis with very little effort...ur assertion that SS could even stand with him is a device to demean primes power. At his base without the guardian amp he would rip SS in half no questions asked...he already has whooped on the entire JL so wat makes u think SS would even different unless ur implying SS>>>>all JL. That was before the amp and besides ur point is lost anyways, Thanos is nowhere near SS's level of speed yet he constantly defeats him...its funny how u just set that up. Red sun bolts...plz wat makes u think he would even get a second to do anything.

Originally posted by quanchi112
LOL. Thats with the guardian powerup sport.

Any other scans at his base levels?

Do you think Prime at his base levels couldn't fly through a planet like he did? Just out of curiousity...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor before he got the power gem beat the Surfer. With the power gem he crushed the Surfer,the Watch,and Strange. Thor doesnt have to destroy a planet to prove he is powerful because he destroyed a planet destroyer by himself before he even got the power gem.

When has Prime ripped anyone comparable to the Surfer in half? It took him time to beat Ion who was a rookie in every sense of the word.

The guardian prevented him from escaping which he wanted to escape this situation. You claimed that Prime didnt let go of the guardian and I enlightened you with a scan showing you him scream for help like a newborn child. One guardian bfr'd him easily and he could do nothing to avoid it.

2. Oh please, he toyed with and mocked Ion the entire fight. SMP is physically weaker and less durable than SMP, I'm using logic to assert he can rip him in half.

3. The Guardian blew up and SMP could not get out of the way in time. SMP physically dominated the Guardian, and was doing it easy before that page you posted. One Guardian killed himself to kill SMP and failed, and SMP was not truly BFRed, SMP could of easily returned, he has traveled through dimensions and even time under his own power, and that's at his base level.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
SMP is physically weaker and less durable than SMP, I'm using logic to assert he can rip him in half.

I agree. 😉

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. And SMP could easily replicate said feat. Beating a planet buster doesn't make you one.

2. Oh please, he toyed with and mocked Ion the entire fight. SMP is physically weaker and less durable than SMP, I'm using logic to assert he can rip him in half.

3. The Guardian blew up and SMP could not get out of the way in time. SMP physically dominated the Guardian, and was doing it easy before that page you posted. One Guardian killed himself to kill SMP and failed, and SMP was not truly BFRed, SMP could of easily returned, he has traveled through dimensions and even time under his own power, and that's at his base level.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I disagree. Superboy prime could not break the gaurdian's grip. whether he was using physical strength and power is to be determined. But let's not forget that Kyle says that the guardian's have big bang power. We don't know for sure if the gaurdian was trying to kill sbp or not. All we know is that he accomplished what he set out to do which was remove Sbp from the battle.

And the Guardians when discussing the events said,"If he survived, he was warped into the universe," which means it was not the Guardian's intention to simply BFR him.

Also, SMP could have easily gone back if he wanted.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Really? Even though SMP had the Guardian by the throat and was poking friggin holes in his head? SMP would have killed the Guardian regardless.

And the Guardians when discussing the events said,"If he survived, he was warped into the universe," which means it was not the Guardian's intention to simply BFR him.

Also, SMP could have easily gone back if he wanted.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Um no. It's quite obvious that the gaurdian WANTED to be in SBP girp. it's also evident that SBP couldn't break the Guardian's grip. he got scared and was howling out in pain. Who else you know made him that scared AND howl out in that kind of pain. And SBP would not have been able to travel back from a bfr on his own. It took the guardian's power in order for him to traverse the multiverse.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Oh is it now? I guess he wanted to have holes in his forehead too? The Guardian decided to blow himself up after he realised he could never beat SMP. He howled in pain before when they blasted him. The Guardian was physically weaker than SMP, SMP grabbed him and dominated him, and then he blew himself up with SMP unable to move in time. SMP traveled out of the Speed Force and time traveled from it at once, he broke through the Phantom Zone on his own.

Those zones you named are nothing like the bleed. At alll. We dont' see anyone traversing the bleed except for Monarch. And the gaurdian knew he was going to blow himself up. It's not like that is a new tactic for gaurdians. They did it before to doomsday. knowing history of characters helps know what's going on.

1.) once the guardian grabbed prime, he could not break free; he actually cried out for help. i believe the guardian also made a comment to the tune of his powers "eclipsing" those of prime's.

2.) the guardian willingly sacrificed himself to rid the universe of prime. and he was successful, in the literal sense - as prime was removed from that universe at the atomic level. *shrug*

3.) until the amp, prime had only shown the ability to get out of alternate dimensions - such as when he busted out of the phantom zone, and somehow got out of the speedforce [i say 'somehow' because we still don't know exactly how he pulled that off]. however, he never showed the ability to venture into alternate 'places' until the guardian powerup. after that, he was able to fly/bust into seemingly any universe/dimension he wanted [even the heart of the multiverse (ie. the bleed), and the 5th-d], with pinpoint accuracy.

4.) the guardian amp increased prime's power to levels he never came close to reaching beforehand.

Monarch kills him plain and simple, I mean seriously Thanos was the same guy shitting in his pants to fight Hulk for crying out loud.

No he wasn't.

He said it in Thanos Quest and lets not forget Warlock has defeated Thanos and killed him In fact the more I think about it this is the only top tier team wrecking ive ever seen from Thanos http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/1421/76mw.jpg

Although that Hulk/Thor were vastly not even close to there peaks.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
He said it in Thanos Quest

He said he didn't want to fight Hulk the same way he was fighting PG amped Champion. Two pages later he humiliated Champion.

behold, thanos "shitting his pants"!!:

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snakes avoid human beings. that doesn't mean a bite from a black mamba won't kill us.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
He said it in Thanos Quest and lets not forget Warlock has defeated Thanos and killed him

I know what he said, and he wasn't scared of Hulk.

And Warlock didn't beat the latest incarnation of Thanos before he died so that isn't at all relevant.

You realize you can say Thanos would lose to someone without have to make him look weaker than he actually is, right?

Thanos takes this 10/10

Well look, all im saying is he was afraid of hulk and that he was killed by adam which are correct facts. Plus the hulk he did fight later on wasnt enraged.