Originally posted by The Great GalenFirst off what other character comparable to the Surfer has Prime torn in half under his normal power base?
It's not a debatable point dude, prime speedblitz 3 flashes in close quarters and traversed accross the universe moving planets so quickly they appear to materialize instantly. Not to mention he routinly smacks hords of top tiers on a consistent basis with very little effort...ur assertion that SS could even stand with him is a device to demean primes power. At his base without the guardian amp he would rip SS in half no questions asked...he already has whooped on the entire JL so wat makes u think SS would even different unless ur implying SS>>>>all JL. That was before the amp and besides ur point is lost anyways, Thanos is nowhere near SS's level of speed yet he constantly defeats him...its funny how u just set that up. Red sun bolts...plz wat makes u think he would even get a second to do anything.
Again Prime is quick but hasnt shown on panel anything other than light speed.
This isnt about who woul ddo better against the jla and while we are on the subject Prime has never defeated the jla ever. So why bring it up?
Again Prime hasnt speedblitzed anyone and only defended him against three flashes while failing to keep them off him. Superboy,Black Adam,etc. hit him easily so why cant the Surfer.
Originally posted by DeathstrokeAgain my opinion on the matter doesnt matter. On panel he has only accomplished this said feat with his powerup and not without it. I do agree that he is much more powerful with the powerup as opposed to without it.
I never said he wasn't amped, bud. I was merely posting scans of Superman Prime destroying a planet.Do you think Prime at his base levels couldn't fly through a planet like he did? Just out of curiousity...
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx1. Prime couldnt beat Thor. He cant contain him and he cant beat him physically. Thanos had the tech for the job because he is that damn good imo but couldnt beat him physically due to the power gem imo.
1. And SMP could easily replicate said feat. Beating a planet buster doesn't make you one.2. Oh please, he toyed with and mocked Ion the entire fight. SMP is physically weaker and less durable than SMP, I'm using logic to assert he can rip him in half.
3. The Guardian blew up and SMP could not get out of the way in time. SMP physically dominated the Guardian, and was doing it easy before that page you posted. One Guardian killed himself to kill SMP and failed, and SMP was not truly BFRed, SMP could of easily returned, he has traveled through dimensions and even time under his own power, and that's at his base level.
2.He didnt and couldnt. He ripped a nameless character in half with no feats. He isnt ripping Ion in half and you saying he could is speculation imo.
3.He was bfred and didnt return to that universe. He was powered up because of the Guardian and again was powerless to break free from his grip. One guardian bfrd him easily imo.
Saying that Prime could break out of this grip is completely ignorant. He wouldnt have been screaming for help if he could have broken the grip himself.
Originally posted by The Great GalenFalse. Thanos pimpslapped him before.
Monarch kills him plain and simple, I mean seriously Thanos was the same guy shitting in his pants to fight Hulk for crying out loud.
"First off what other character comparable to the Surfer has Prime torn in half under his normal power base?
Claiming he tears Surfer in half is ridiculous when he didnt even tear Superboy in half imo.
Again Prime is quick but hasnt shown on panel anything other than light speed.
This isnt about who woul ddo better against the jla and while we are on the subject Prime has never defeated the jla ever. So why bring it up?
Again Prime hasnt speedblitzed anyone and only defended him against three flashes while failing to keep them off him. Superboy,Black Adam,etc. hit him easily so why cant the Surfer. "
He hasnt showed anything FTL u say, even though he soared the universe and moved planets so quickly they appeared to materialize instantly and blitz 3 flashed in close quarters....u realize how insane u sound. Under his own power of course he could rip SS, how r figuring SS would hit him if forum rules stupilate full capcity with no cis/pis. U fail.
Originally posted by The Great GalenMost of this is my quote.
"First off what other character comparable to the Surfer has Prime torn in half under his normal power base?
Claiming he tears Surfer in half is ridiculous when he didnt even tear Superboy in half imo.Again Prime is quick but hasnt shown on panel anything other than light speed.
This isnt about who woul ddo better against the jla and while we are on the subject Prime has never defeated the jla ever. So why bring it up?
Again Prime hasnt speedblitzed anyone and only defended him against three flashes while failing to keep them off him. Superboy,Black Adam,etc. hit him easily so why cant the Surfer. "
He hasnt showed anything FTL u say, even though he soared the universe and moved planets so quickly they appeared to materialize instantly and blitz 3 flashed in close quarters....u realize how insane u sound. Under his own power of course he could rip SS, how r figuring SS would hit him if forum rules stupilate full capcity with no cis/pis. U fail.
Again when he wanted to move as quickly as possible to Oa he only traveled at light speed. If you have any scans of him moving faster show them because the way I see it he wouldnt be holding anything back here and would be going as quickly as he could. He wanted a new big bang.
I do have him at full capacity which is light speed. If you have any proof that I am wrong feel free to post it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Most of this is my quote.Again when he wanted to move as quickly as possible to Oa he only traveled at light speed. If you have any scans of him moving faster show them because the way I see it he wouldnt be holding anything back here and would be going as quickly as he could. He wanted a new big bang.
I do have him at full capacity which is light speed. If you have any proof that I am wrong feel free to post it.
LMAO, wow...now ur resorting to prime being slower then SS and losing to him.
Originally posted by fangirl101The Guardian knew he was going to blow himself up? Ummm...No shit? I'm not really sure what you were trying to prove by saying that.
Those zones you named are nothing like the bleed. At alll. We dont' see anyone traversing the bleed except for Monarch. And the gaurdian knew he was going to blow himself up. It's not like that is a new tactic for gaurdians. They did it before to doomsday. knowing history of characters helps know what's going on.
Originally posted by The Great GalenI think Prime wins but its clearly debatable is my point. Again Surfer has more impressive feats and reaction times in battle than Prime. My point has always been that he cant beat the Surfer as easily as Thanos. He couldnt even beat Ion in a few blows who is well beneath Surfer.
LMAO, wow...now ur resorting to prime being slower then SS and losing to him.
Originally posted by The Great GalenI put up a scan where Superman couldnt react in time to stop bullets. You claimed he is faster than light or something and that the Surfer couldnt tag him. I am merely bringing forth evidence friend. You are free to form your own conclusions.
**** it, Quan is claiming Supes is slower then SS and can beaten by him....hes derailing this with his fanboy bias.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Prime wins but its clearly debatable is my point. Again Surfer has more impressive feats and reaction times in battle than Prime. My point has always been that he cant beat the Surfer as easily as Thanos. He couldnt even beat Ion in a few blows who is well beneath Surfer.
Prime might take a few vs Surfer due to an early speed and strength edge (Surfer would have some major amping to do), but Thanos would do it far more decisively.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I put up a scan where Superman couldnt react in time to stop bullets. You claimed he is faster than light or something and that the Surfer couldnt tag him. I am merely bringing forth evidence friend. You are free to form your own conclusions.
As a result Superman failed a lot of innocents.
Originally posted by Galan0071. The Guardian had one hand on SMP and then blew up. SMP one page earlier had the Guardian in a grip he could not break free from, and SMP was manhandling him, not just holding him. The Guardian grabbed SMP's wrist, a much weaker person can grab you by the wrist and hold you close enough for a blast of that size for it to be completed. So who is stronger based on their feats? SMP manhandling the Guardian or the Guardian keeping SMP close enough to be in the explosion radius? The Guardian can claim whatever the hell he wants, fact is his full power could not kill SMP.
1.) once the guardian grabbed prime, he could not break free; he actually cried out for help. i believe the guardian also made a comment to the tune of his powers "eclipsing" those of prime's.2.) the guardian willingly sacrificed himself to rid the universe of prime. and he was successful, in the literal sense - as prime was removed from that universe at the atomic level. *shrug*
3.) until the amp, prime had only shown the ability to get out of alternate dimensions - such as when he busted out of the phantom zone, and somehow got out of the speedforce [i say 'somehow' because we still don't know exactly how he pulled that off]. however, he never showed the ability to venture into alternate 'places' until the guardian powerup. after that, he was able to fly/bust into seemingly any universe/dimension he wanted [even the heart of the multiverse (ie. the bleed), and the 5th-d], with pinpoint accuracy.
4.) the guardian amp increased prime's power to levels he never came close to reaching beforehand.
2. True, but the Guardians made it quite clear that if used on someone, it could kill them, only SMP was durable enough to take the blast.
3. I concede this point.
4. I was never arguing this point.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Prime wins but its clearly debatable is my point. Again Surfer has more impressive feats and reaction times in battle than Prime. My point has always been that he cant beat the Surfer as easily as Thanos. He couldnt even beat Ion in a few blows who is well beneath Surfer.
How's it debatable, SS doesnt have any battle reaction....he has navigation reflexes but never any close quarters/h2h reaction time that even touches spiderman. Prime blitz 3 flashed in close range...SS constantly gets tagged by Thor and even with lokis amp was losing agaisnt Thor. Ion is a lot more powerful then u think and Prime was toying with him regardless....its not even a debate SMP takes care of SS in a perhaps more brutal fashion then Thanos on the accounf of his speed and strength.
Originally posted by quanchi112Surfer doesn't have more impressive battle feats than SS nor does he have better reaction time, unless SS can speedblitz three Flashes.
I think Prime wins but its clearly debatable is my point. Again Surfer has more impressive feats and reaction times in battle than Prime. My point has always been that he cant beat the Surfer as easily as Thanos. He couldnt even beat Ion in a few blows who is well beneath Surfer.
He toyed with Ion, it's called context.
So Thanos is easily strong enough to rip off Monarch's armor? The only person to do that was much stronger than Thanos, so that claim is based off nothing but fanboy bullshit.