Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxgoing by how that instance played out, it seems to me like the guardian let prime to grab him, so that he, in turn, could grab prime. that's probably why none of the other guardians did a damn thing to try and stop prime when he made the grab. they must've known his plan to sacrifice himself.
1. The Guardian had one hand on SMP and then blew up. SMP one page earlier had the Guardian in a grip he could not break free from, and SMP was manhandling him, not just holding him. The Guardian grabbed SMP's wrist, a much weaker person can grab you by the wrist and hold you close enough for a blast of that size for it to be completed. So who is stronger based on their feats? SMP manhandling the Guardian or the Guardian keeping SMP close enough to be in the explosion radius? The Guardian can claim whatever the hell he wants, fact is his full power could not kill SMP.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxthe guardians clearly said that if prime survived, he would be warped into the multiverse. they well knew the latter was a very plausible option, and never once banked on prime being absolutely vanquished. the only intent for that blast was to remove prime from the universe [which it technically did].
2. True, but the Guardians made it quite clear that if used on someone, it could kill them, only SMP was durable enough to take the blast.
Originally posted by quanchi112Fair enough.
Again my opinion on the matter doesnt matter. On panel he has only accomplished this said feat with his powerup and not without it. I do agree that he is much more powerful with the powerup as opposed to without it.
How much time would you say passed in the DC universe between the planet busting/Mxy torturing and his fight with Monarch?
Originally posted by Galan0071. There is no real reason to think that the Guardian let SMP grab him IMO. They may have known of the Guardian's plan, but SMP was on-panel manhandling the Guardian, and the Guardian only held SMP close enough for the explosion.
going by how that instance played out, it seems to me like the guardian let prime to grab him, so that he, in turn, could grab prime. that's probably why none of the other guardians did a damn thing to try and stop prime when he made the grab. they must've known his plan to sacrifice himself.the guardians clearly said that if prime survived, he would be warped into the multiverse. they well knew the latter was a very plausible option, and never once banked on prime being absolutely vanquished. the only intent for that blast was to remove prime from the universe [which it technically did].
2. IF he survived, including his death as possible as well, but his full power could not kill SMP, so he was warped into the Multiverse instead.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxprime grabbed the guardian [who did not resist at all], guardian grabbed prime, words were exchanged, guardian detonated.
but SMP was on-panel manhandling the Guardian, and the Guardian only held SMP close enough for the explosion.
anyhow, i'm not saying that the guardian held prime for hours - however, the fact still remains that until the guardian went all kamikaze on prime, he was being physically held against his will.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxand his being warped into the multiverse was something they knew could very well happen. meaning, it wasn't any kind of surprise when he became exactly what they predicted he could become. like i said, the blast did what it was originally intended to do [ie. get prime out of that universe].
2. IF he survived, including his death as possible as well, but his full power could not kill SMP, so he was warped into the Multiverse instead.
Originally posted by Galan0071. The Guardian was at SMP's mercy until the Guardian revealed what he wanted to do, then grabbed SMP by the wrist and held him just long and close enough to detonate with SMP in the blast radius.
prime grabbed the guardian [who did not resist at all], guardian grabbed prime, words were exchanged, guardian detonated.anyhow, i'm not saying that the guardian held prime for hours - however, the fact still remains that until the guardian went all kamikaze on prime, he was being physically held against his will.
and his being warped into the multiverse was something they knew could very well happen. meaning, it wasn't any kind of surprise when he became exactly what they predicted he could become. like i said, the blast did what it was originally intended to do [ie. get prime out of that universe].
2. I know, but they also knew he could die as well, and if he did not, he would be warped in the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxthe guardian obviously knew beforehand what he needed to do in order to rid the universe of prime. it was a plan that the other guardians were obviously aware of - which again, would account for them not lifting a finger to try and get their brother out of prime's grip.
1. The Guardian was at SMP's mercy until the Guardian revealed what he wanted to do,
it was all planned. thus, prime grabbing the guardian by the throat in that instance, isn't overly impressive, imo.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxregardless, prime was still held against his will [unless you think he wanted to be broken down at the atomic level?] the amount of time he was held is not want i've been debating.
then grabbed SMP by the wrist and held him just long and close enough to detonate with SMP in the blast radius.
Originally posted by Dark-Jaxxright. i'm just saying the end result of the kamikaze attack was never 100% known [even to the guardians themselves]. he could have either died, or been warped into the multiverse. so saying the blast was meant to kill prime, is incorrect. it's original intention was, again, to simply remove prime from the universe.
2. I know, but they also knew he could die as well, and if he did not, he would be warped in the Multiverse.
Originally posted by Galan007
the guardian obviously knew beforehand what he needed to do in order to rid the universe of prime. it was a plan that the other guardians were obviously aware of - which again, would account for them not lifting a finger to try and get their brother out of prime's grip.it was all planned. thus, prime grabbing the guardian by the throat in that instance, isn't overly impressive, imo.
regardless, prime was still held against his will [unless you think he wanted to be broken down at the atomic level?] the amount of time he was held is not want i've been debating.
right. i'm just saying the end result of the kamikaze attack was never 100% known [even to the guardians themselves]. he could have either died, or been warped into the multiverse. so saying the blast was meant to kill prime, is incorrect. it's original intention was, again, to simply remove prime from the universe.
👆
Even if Prime's survival was a possibility, nobody predicted it as the higher probability. And no one could have called that Prime would not only survive, but use the blast as a power boost. It's a huge feat any way you slice it. How many guys could take a blast like that and not only survive, but take no damage and actually ampe themselves from it?
............Besides Doomsday. durfist
Anyways,
Originally posted by batdude123
Rulk 10/10.
And if I may add, DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD! durquanchi is gone.
And lo, a light shone down upon the forums. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Even if Prime's survival was a possibility, nobody predicted it as the higher probability. And no one could have called that Prime would not only survive, but use the blast as a power boost. It's a huge feat any way you slice it. How many guys could take a blast like that and not only survive, but take no damage and actually ampe themselves from it?............Besides Doomsday. durfist
Anyways,
And if I may add, DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD! durquanchi is gone.
Co-signed...and now the forums can finally restore order and peace to the universe.
And lo, a light shone down upon the forums. 😄
Originally posted by TricksterPriestIs he banned or something?
Even if Prime's survival was a possibility, nobody predicted it as the higher probability. And no one could have called that Prime would not only survive, but use the blast as a power boost. It's a huge feat any way you slice it. How many guys could take a blast like that and not only survive, but take no damage and actually ampe themselves from it?............Besides Doomsday. durfist
Anyways,
And if I may add, DING DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD! durquanchi is gone.
And lo, a light shone down upon the forums. 😄