Off Topic Circle Jerk

So.... this all started with a poster, who is now banned from here... And over Riggs no less... I had a debate with RJ once, on another forum, regarding Robocop vs the T-850. And you pretty much hit it on the head, repeat the same defeated point repeatedly ad nauseum.

I can see Quan emulating RJ in that sense, but I don't really understand why Lestov would, he doesn't seem to be damaged goods like Quan (I don't have the specifics past the Unicron threads as I wasn't in this particular section past then).

So you don't even deny that you view McClane with bias as an unbeatable paragon.

And it's disproven by the fact that he's been on the verge of losing multiple times and lived only due to the villain's stupidity or outright luck, rather than his own skill. Simon tossing him the bottle is a good example, and Gabriel attempting to molest him is also applicable.

Also is the scene in DH2 when they attempt to kill him with the grenades. There's no way he would have survived if those were real grenades that didn't have a detonation time of over a minute (!).

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You couldn't disprove it. Meanwhile there was lots of onscreen evidence and logic behind my observation. I remember you getting very upset. Looks like you still are.

Well, it is an unprovable element either way, much like Master Cheif's supposed unnatural good luck.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

I can see Quan emulating RJ in that sense

same. exact. routine.

lestov as well.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
but I don't really understand why Lestov would, he doesn't seem to be damaged goods like Quan (I don't have the specifics past the Unicron threads as I wasn't in this particular section past then).

I'm merely disproving the pervasive myth on this board that McClane is invincible. Sadako said that McClane could take Frank Martin in a fistfight. How am I not supposed to call bullshit on that?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
same. exact. routine.

lestov as well.

Indeed, the only reason I know RJ and Quan are 2 separate entities is that they had a fair few clashes back (Waaaay back) in the day. Like 06 or 07 or something.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Well, it is an unprovable element either way, much like Master Cheif's supposed unnatural good luck.

IDK, because I'm remembering that grenade scene from DH2. There really is no way McClane should have gotten out of that cockpit before the grenades went off. No way. Divine intervention, or a faulty grenade manufacturer, can be the only cause.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm merely disproving the pervasive myth on this board that McClane is invincible. Sadako said that McClane could take Frank Martin in a fistfight. How am I not supposed to call bullshit on that?

It's not a myth believed by everyone Les, there is no reason to go nuts over it. if I actually believed C Master with his lines about Duke Nukem being an invincible god, I would be the biggest fool on this earth to take that statement literally. Same with this. I know Girth and Rob from previous threads (More so Girth from his time in the TF forum) and I can tell you now that even if he did take those comments seriously, everyone else would normally take it with a grain of salt and either leave it alone or have a bit of fun with it.

The only reason they took you on in any serious fashion is because you went in to literally instead of taking the piss out of it.

Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK, because I'm remembering that grenade scene from DH2. There really is no way McClane should have gotten out of that cockpit before the grenades went off. No way. Divine intervention, or a faulty grenade manufacturer, can be the only cause.

There's no denying he had a fair bit of good fortune in that scene. Another way to look at it is that he is also the unluckiest SOB on America with the sheer amount of shitty situations he finds himself in in the first place.

Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK, because I'm remembering that grenade scene from DH2. There really is no way McClane should have gotten out of that cockpit before the grenades went off. No way. Divine intervention, or a faulty grenade manufacturer, can be the only cause.

As you now seem to be able to form opinions, how about taking another look at those 18 threads you started and telling me how many of them would result in a win for McClane.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So you don't even deny that you view McClane with bias as an unbeatable paragon.

You need to reread (or just falt out read) the last page or so.
If you drew that conclusion after McClane-Unicron, you are either very dense or just desperate to portray me in whatever negative light you can..maybe even both.

And it's disproven by the fact that he's been on the verge of losing multiple times and lived only due to the villain's stupidity or outright luck, rather than his own skill. Simon tossing him the bottle is a good example, and Gabriel attempting to molest him is also applicable.

Luck is an attribute with characters. You could say that for pretty much any hero.
Han Solo famously ignorantly wrote force feats off as luck.
He may have been a fool. But who's the more fool, the fool? OR the fool that follows it?

Also is the scene in DH2 when they attempt to kill him with the grenades. There's no way he would have survived if those were real grenades that didn't have a detonation time of over a minute (!).

Unless something was on McClanes side affecting the situation possibly. (The same thing he was seen bargaining with in DH1 on the rooftop - I promise I'll never go ontop of a tall building again: Please god: Dont let me die" - 5 movies later: Still alive through ridiculous adversity that would have killed pretty much anyone else over and over)

Originally posted by Lestov16
IDK, because I'm remembering that grenade scene from DH2. There really is no way McClane should have gotten out of that cockpit before the grenades went off. No way. Divine intervention, or a faulty grenade manufacturer, can be the only cause.

yup. As I said all along. And odd grenades being duds, yeah. Entire collection of them all from different guys? No.
Still. This as explained above is not a negative.

It could also be that time appeared to slow from McClane's perspective as it often does when adrenalin kicks in.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It's not a myth believed by everyone Les, there is no reason to go nuts over it. if I actually believed C Master with his lines about Duke Nukem being an invincible god, I would be the biggest fool on this earth to take that statement literally. Same with this. I know Girth and Rob from previous threads (More so Girth from his time in the TF forum) and I can tell you now that even if he did take those comments seriously, everyone else would normally take it with a grain of salt and either leave it alone or have a bit of fun with it.

The only reason they took you on in any serious fashion is because you went in to literally instead of taking the piss out of it.

It's just that I honestly come to these forums because I am legit interested in the outcomes of these debates. I like knowing which fictional characters beat whom. So I get upset if the outcomes are affected by bias, because it completely destroys the objectivity of the info and thus makes it worthless.

I'm just a guy who likes to take in info, and thus not take in the wrong info. Also, as I view it, if someone else looked up the thread looking for results, do they deserve to get a biased answer, or the true answer. Perhaps I am too serious about it, but not all the time.

Nice political answer, sadly the opposite is true though, Mr.Blame reversal/last word dragger outer. You look really silly when you lie and everyone knows its a lie..

Not to be personal, but have you ever been assessed professionally..? (You seem to have some issues with compulsive lying or something maybe distorting your perception of reality.)

Either way. You need to rewatch the 'How to drop things' vid I provided.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
yup. As I said all along. And odd grenades being duds, yeah. Entire collection of them all from different guys? No.
Still. This as explained above is not a negative.

It could also be that time appeared to slow from McClane's perspective as it often does when adrenalin kicks in.

Even if time was slowed, there's no way they tossed all of those grenades (and even had a little banter) in the 5 seconds it usually takes a grenade to go boom. The thing about McClane is that what he lacks in CQB skill he makes up for with absurd amounts of durability and luck. His masterful aim takes care of the rest.

Originally posted by Lestov16
It's just that I honestly come to these forums because I am legit interested in the outcomes of these debates. I like knowing which fictional characters beat whom. So I get upset if the outcomes are affected by bias, because it completely destroys the objectivity of the info and thus makes it worthless.

I'm just a guy who likes to take in info, and thus not take in the wrong info. Also, as I view it, if someone else looked up the thread looking for results, do they deserve to get a biased answer, or the true answer. Perhaps I am too serious about it, but not all the time.

The only credible answer I can give to you regarding that then is simply this. if you feel that the end result of a person's post is biased, and provably so, then you either disregard it, or you backtrack it to see how they reached the conclusion they do. Sometimes a seemingly biased opinion does have merits. if it does not, then weight it against more legitimate counterpoints of other posters, and examine how they reach their conclusions.

The other thing that must be done is to examine the evidence yourself to formulate your own conclusion, then post it.

there is no reason to point at another posters bias without ever formulating a counter point or a conclusion yourself. Lurking in a thread you are genuinely interested in also helps a little as you look at the evidence the OP and first posters present if you are generally unsure. Once you have some evidence to look at, you go over it, and re-examine points, then you come back, and make your own contribution.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Even if time was slowed, there's no way they tossed all of those grenades (and even had a little banter) in the 5 seconds it usually takes a grenade to go boom. The thing about McClane is that what he lacks in CQB skill he makes up for with absurd amounts of durability and luck. His masterful aim takes care of the rest.

Now, this is just a speculative viewpoint, but those grenades may have had timed fuses. it would explain the considerable delay, and it's not like they were saving them for anything else.

Just saying as one possible conclusion.

I just get upset that legit interesting threads, like McClane vs AF1 or Olympus has Fallen, get immediately derided as "troll threads" just because I made them.

Timed fuses may be right also yes. Especially given the Squad guys also had blanks because they were staging fighting their own.. could have been so they could be seen chucking grenades at each other, whilst also allowing each other time to escape a grenade landing next to them...

Originally posted by Lestov16
I just get upset that legit interesting threads, like McClane vs AF1 or Olympus has Fallen, get immediately derided as "troll threads" just because I made them.

you're better off just going outside for a walk.

go on.

put the shovel down and go outside.

its nice out.

That is a reasonable explanation. But if so, it just means, as stated, that McClane is lucky. Luck doesn't translate into combat skill that can be debated with, unless it's a specifically stated power.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
you're better off just going outside for a walk.

go on.

put the shovel down and go outside.

its nice out.

The hooker's only half buried though.