Originally posted by Lestov16
So you 're trying to say that God takes control of the villains, and makes them act like utter phucking retards so McClane can barely get a win? 😆 OK. Explains why Simon gave McClane the bottle of aspirin.
that one is quite easy actually.
#1: John asked.
#2: Simon was certain John was about to die.
#3: Simon didn't know that John had a piece of wire imbedded in his shoulder that could be used to open the cuffs.
That is actually quite lucky considering the circumstances.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I see, so basically you are unable to form opinions on your own and need people to tell you what to think.
Yeah, pretty much. I can't form an opinion on a film I haven't seen in years nor have the time to rewatch, so I need people to tell me what they think about the thread scenario, since they would have more knowledge about it than myself, obviously.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, pretty much. I can't form an opinion on a film I haven't seen in years nor have the time to rewatch, so I need people to tell me what they think about the thread scenario, since they would have more knowledge about it than myself, obviously.
Why not just watch the movie and then open the thread?
If I may interrupt for just a moment...
I don't create threads very often anymore, but when I did, it was normally to obtain other viewpoints of a particular vs scenario, not to help me form one. TBH, opening a thread without previous konwlege of the combatants involved usually is not a very good idea, as opening posts in threads tend to need the rules of engagement in them, otherwise they can degenerate into shitflinging very fast.
I made this very same argument with Quan years ago in the Games Vs, where he soundly managed to demonstrate his utter lack of knowledge on one particular side. (And this is outside the usual norms of fallaciousness he used, which also cropped up.)
Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, pretty much. I can't form an opinion on a film I haven't seen in years nor have the time to rewatch, so I need people to tell me what they think about the thread scenario, since they would have more knowledge about it than myself, obviously.
...so you can blankly and flatly disagree anyway like usual?
You're full of it.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I had a better knowledge of the film when I made the thread, but it was derided as a spite thread, so it was never debated. My memory of the film has since faded.
I will say this here. Sometimes it takes someone else to explain that a spite thread is a spite thread. Sometimes spites really ARE unintentional.
Example: The Mcclane vs AF1, that one could be interpreted as a spite if McClane gets all his movies experience and feats behind him. but if this was made before DH5 or even DH4.0, then it's not quite as much of a spite thread... Timing is a factor. if that thread were made before DH1 (in theory) or was seat sometime between DH1 and 2 as an OP rule (to try and balance it out) it becomes even less spitey and more "Hmm... need to think on this more" sort of thread.
A franchise with multiple movies give the characters more air time, and thus more ways to win a debate. Van Zan will never get more screen time, because he is right now a huge steamy dragon turd, so unless he gets airtime from before ROF, then he is screwed in most vs debates because his display in ROF was abysmal.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I had a better knowledge of the film when I made the thread, but it was derided as a spite thread, so it was never debated. My memory of the film has since faded.
You made 18 different threads, are you now claiming that you had knowledge of the movies involved when you made them?
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
A franchise with multiple movies give the characters more air time, and thus more ways to win a debate. Van Zan will never get more screen time, because he is right now a huge steamy dragon turd, so unless he gets airtime from before ROF, then he is screwed in most vs debates because his display in ROF was abysmal.
But hey instead of realising that, and accpeting the answer, its just stick fingers up at logic and reason, and in ears going nyahhhh hyahhh hyaahhhh for like 100 pages attacking folks personally instead, their families whatever to get a rise. Does that sound like an objective agendaless way to carry on?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But hey instead of realising that, and accpeting the answer, its just stick fingers up at logic and reason, and in ears going nyahhhh hyahhh hyaahhhh for like 100 pages attacking folks personally instead, their families whatever to get a rise. Does that sound like an objective agendaless way to carry on?
The only thing Zan had going for him was that he "looked" like a post apocalyptic Viking badass. Instead, he proves he's is a post apocalyptic fail Hitler with insanity, and anger management problems due to a bad case of hemorrhoids.
It's just that the one minute of fighting we see from Van Zan shows way more technique and skill than anything McClane has shown in a face to face H2H confrontation. Note how he blocks Quinn's punch and puts him to the ground once they're actually facing each other. The only reason Quinn hit him again was because he was starting to walk away. McClane's never done anything like that to an opponent he was facing directly. Lihn even disarmed him as he had his gun trained on her. It's not like McClane has lightning reflexes, as proven in his poor H2H fight in DH2 and DH4. And let's take the guy in the car from DH5. He clearly was preparing more for an argument than a fight, and I'm pretty sure Zan would have blocked that hit in a straight match.
Originally posted by Lestov16
It's just that the one minute of fighting we see from Van Zan shows way more technique and skill than anything McClane has shown in a face to face H2H confrontation. Note how he blocks Quinn's punch and puts him to the ground once they're actually facing each other. The only reason Quinn hit him again was because he was starting to walk away. McClane's never done anything like that to an opponent he was facing directly. Lihn even disarmed him as he had his gun trained on her. It's not like McClane has lightning reflexes, as proven in his poor H2H fight in DH2 and DH4. And let's take the guy in the car from DH5. He clearly was preparing more for an argument than a fight, and I'm pretty sure Zan would have blocked that hit in a straight match.
We see only one solid move from Zan, and that was the block against Quinn, who is definitely no master H2H combatant either.
That and the others have already pointed out that 5 solid hits and a headbutt from Zan failed to do anything more significant than give Quinn a fat lip and a cut. Compared to the people McClane has fought and scored victories against, or even marginally lose to, Quinn is a nobody, and Zan hasn't got any further showings to compare to.
It does nake it unfairly stacked, but Zan is no Jackie Chan, he's not going to out skill McClane, Zan's style is as much brawling as McClane's is, and McClane has fought more dangerous foes than Quinn.
Originally posted by Lestov16
It's just that the one minute of fighting we see from Van Zan shows way more technique and skill than anything McClane has shown in a face to face H2H confrontation. Note how he blocks Quinn's punch and puts him to the ground once they're actually facing each other. The only reason Quinn hit him again was because he was starting to walk away. McClane's never done anything like that to an opponent he was facing directly. Lihn even disarmed him as he had his gun trained on her. It's not like McClane has lightning reflexes, as proven in his poor H2H fight in DH2 and DH4. And let's take the guy in the car from DH5. He clearly was preparing more for an argument than a fight, and I'm pretty sure Zan would have blocked that hit in a straight match.
Actually, since DH5, his powers of intuition, anticipation and everything are more acute. And he has thunder and lightning leading hooks. Van Zan never blocked ANYTHING even close to that.
Hilarious that you choose to try to pass that warped interpretation of DH. Van Zan would have NO chance against that power and speed, or against the top level Russian operative who McClane one shotted whom had a machine gun on the unarmed McClane at the time.
This is another example of you lowballing, denying and doing anything you can to pursue your agenda, despite all presented logic, reason and screenfeats.
You're just so obvious. Acting totally like Quan's little puppet again.
What coincidence that you as his long time enabler/running partner and co-troll rush in here screaming "I'm innocent! Im innocent! on the day when his trolling finally got stamped out..
You're fooling no-one and the many threads are the evidence you could never in a million years of such denial/misrepresenting and blame reversing undo..
I can see what you are trying to do. Im not gonna fall for it. Not getting dragged into it.
Accept it, let go and be free.