Off Topic Circle Jerk

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Please provide proof of every point in which you didn't lie.
(youre the one trying to troll and rehash old ground needlessly.
Just one such example of your lies: Ninja Chick issue.

He KO'd her.

He only had that advantage due to her own stupidity.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Then killed her

Not in H2H combat, which his the context we are discussing

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
yet according to you she destroyed him.

In H2H. Yes. She did.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And won.

By dropping a car on her because he couldn't overcome her in H2H. Her death is irrelevant to the discussion because we are talking about H2H prowess and she wasn't killed via H2H.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You've argued RJ's old tired long disproved over and over in an effort to troll.

It's common sense to anybody who knows what "H2H" means.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Dude you accused some stairs of helping him, in attampt to deny him of his victory by neck snapage over Karl's brother.

Even if we consider that a neck snap, he doesn't snap necks with near the ease that Bauer does.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
The pointers McClane recieved from the people he was protecting

Pointers? Farrell basically gave McClane the entire plot, as did Jack in DH5.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
were nothing compared to the constant on tap help from CTU and Tony..

Such as? Exact instances. You don't have to provide the episode, but at least provide the season. Should be noted when Tony saved him in S4 it was because Bauer ran out of bullets and 5 guys with automatic weapons were surrounding him. It's not because he couldn't out-shoot them.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Your attempts constantly to put words in my mouth are yet another sign of the derailing attempts that are just typical of your MO.

Originally posted by Lestov16
He only had that advantage due to her own stupidity.

What had McClane taken on that Bauer hasn't?

Holly McClane, 5 DH movies and of course, your butthurt.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
She only did as well as she did because he let her live the 1st time. Chivary.

What? Are you ignoring her knocking him to the ground and turning around due to stupidity, allowing him to KO her in the first place?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
...in the social thread you attempt to derail..

I'm just asking questions.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope Her KO'd her. 1st to KO wins.
Cry and troll on.

He KOed her because she walked away out of stupidity after beating his ass to the ground. Why are you ignoring that part of the scene?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Could have killed her when he KO'd her.

She could have done the same when she knocked him to the ground. She even had her gun. She turned and walked away out of stupidity. That's the only reason McClane got a (temporary) KO

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But spared her and went to help Matthew. She then took advantage of his distraction when she woke up and then he killed her.

Same can be said about her. She could have shot McClane, but she spared him (read: Stupidity), and turned to coerce Matthew. McClane took advantage of the distraction and attacked her.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes. So why you continue to not undertsnad what KO means, is less of a question as it is a sign of your ignoring the obvious out of your predictable butthurt troll agenda.

The only reason she didn't knock him unconscious and KO him was because she thought that she already did. She was foolishly overeager to get to Matthew, to the point that she didn't even shoot McClane.

I also don't know why you're making such spiteful attacks even though we're only discussing a debate.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Against opponents nowhere near Mcclane level of unbreakability. McClane would KO him at that range with a one shot.

McClane's never fought someone like Bauer, who snaps necks like twigs. McClane was struggling against a random mook in DH4, and had to shoot him in the foot because he couldn't overpower him.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Without Mcclane keeping them alive, they wouldn't have been able to do so.

Same can be said about Chloe

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Post an exact instance first of Ninja chick (or anyone else) KOing McClane or breaking his neck.

When has anybody tried to break McClane's neck?

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Holly McClane, 5 DH movies and of course, your butthurt.

Bauer's had sexier (and more accomplished) people than some nagging bytch like Holly. 8 (9 coming in 2014) seasons of 24 makes 5 DH films look like Bratz. 192+ hours>10 hours 🙂

Originally posted by Lestov16
Bauer was Delta Force, who are Tier 1 (more elite than Green Berets), and they recruit from Green Berets, so Bauer may have possibly been one himself.

Bauer's background wasn't the issue.

The fact is that McClane has taken on elite military types and more importantly, he saves the day without the pedigree Bauer has (NY Cop training Vs Spec Op training) nor the resources Bauer has (donut eating cop, black merchant and nerd vs CTU, direct line to the POTUS and highly trained agents).

True, but that is because he has to do less and his resources give more information. For instance, would McClane have been able to locate the nuke in S2? If Mason came to him, and said we've got a rogue nuke in LA, and it's going to go off any minute, would McClane have been able to track it down like Bauer did? McClane has never shown himself to be an expert interrogator, so I doubt he could have just obtained the info from Wald's men by brute force, and he's never been shown to be undercover, so he couldn't have infiltrated the group like Jack did. How would McClane have proceeded, since he doesn't need the resources or pedigree Jack does?

Originally posted by Lestov16
True, but that is because he has to do less and his resources give more information. For instance, would McClane have been able to locate the nuke in S2? If Mason came to him, and said we've got a rogue nuke in LA, and it's going to go off any minute, would McClane have been able to track it down like Bauer did? McClane has never shown himself to be an expert interrogator, so I doubt he could have just obtained the info from Wald's men by brute force, and he's never been shown to be undercover, so he couldn't have infiltrated the group like Jack did. How would McClane have proceeded, since he doesn't need the resources or pedigree Jack does?

The MIF.

McClane
Improbability
Factor

So you don't know.

Originally posted by Lestov16
So you don't know.

I didn't know how a 2.3 ton Mercedes ML500 could rock a 20 ton fully armored tactical truck, but the MIF showed us it's possible.

Hmm. IDK if I can argue with that. It defies all reason, but there was also the incident in the cockpit in DH2, where grenades literally refused to go off in his presence, so it is possible......

I notice that whilst you are "just asking questions" (according to you trying to shrug off the obvious trolling derailment attempt) that they all seem to be about your butthurt and McClane.

(Not many other questions being asked.

Seems like butthurt has smothered your face completely with it's pained ass. That could be why you seem blind and cannot to see logic, truth and screenfeats with your eyes all full of your own hairy painful buttcheeks.)

I'll admit McClane is pretty lucky, but he's nowhere near as invincible as you claim.

Sorry to f*ck up your downplay attempt but 'Luck' does not make a 2.3 tonne vehicle rock a 20 tonne military combat vehicle as per Robtard's cited DH5 example..

True. Quite true.

As is the fact he has never died once in 5 movies of stuff that would have easily killed other human characters multiple times per movie.. and the things that wouldn't have killed them probably would have paralysed them or dismembered them, smaksed their bones and organs...but McClane really does seem to be unbreakble in that respect, especially when combined with the MIF.

I don't think the car vs helicopter feat from DH4 is physically possible either.

Still, I'm going to stick with my assessment that Bauer can take McClane CQB, and McClane can take him in a gunfight.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't think the car vs helicopter feat from DH4 is physically possible either.

Another instance of the MIF in play.

One thing I've noticed is Lestov's argumentation style has improved. Good job teaching him, gents.

I'm just looking at the objective facts and, while McClane does indeed have a seemingly supernatural amount of luck, skillwise, he just doesn't have what it takes to fight a trained veteran like Bauer, who makes Stuart look like a punk.

Originally posted by dadudemon
One thing I've noticed is Lestov's argumentation style has improved. Good job teaching him, gents.

i'm more pleased with your progress 🙂

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm just looking at the objective facts and, while McClane does indeed have a seemingly supernatural amount of luck, skillwise, he just doesn't have what it takes to fight a trained veteran like Bauer, who makes Stuart look like a punk.

Making reality go how you want it to is a skill that will win all fights. You already admitted to knowing what we're on about regarding achieving the impossible. Bauer might be a good character, but he cannot kill McClane.