Ryu vs Cloud Strife

^yes thats exactly what it means. although, in a technical sense, they are humans, but humans are defined different in their respective media than humans in the real world, which is why we cant use real world comparisons to judge power levels.

but if you mean they aren't normal human, I agree.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
not BS, simple truth. sephiroth wanted to become a power over ALL lifestream, which is confirmed in advent children, the lifestream exists in ALL planets{hence jenovah going from planet to planet}, not just midgar. the tainted lifstream was being perpetrated throughout theuniverse, but sephiroth required the planet as a VESSEL to move around quicker in the universe and taint it/consume it.

also, if you remember correctly, the very ESSENCE of omega was to collect the lifestream of the entire MIDGAR and transport ot to the heavens. HOW is that in any way, mightier in strength to what sephiroth was doing to the lifestream of midgar and in the future, the entire universe????????

and yes ive trained with a katana for about three years, and you shuld know, even a sword wieghing around 3-5 kgs like an average katana can easily weigh a HELL of a lot more than that because of the levering affect of the long blade as opposed to the grip. also, normal swords are rather thinner than u might think, even two hand longswords{think braveheart} are only a couple of millimeteres thick. if you take a sloid block of metal like cloud's sword, enormously think, enormously wide and extremely long, with no weight deductions, it can EASILY weigh a ton. not to mention how much its gonna weigh when u have to SWING it, due to the leverage affect.

2. And Cloud never even FOUGHt Omega. Oh, and it was made quite clear that in terms of power, Omega was by far the strongest WEAPON.

3. Cloud's blade in thickness is like...An inch long maybe. Does that equal a ton? No. And Cloud's sword DOES have holes in it btw.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. You have no proof that Sephiroth's control over the lifestream went beyond Midgar, since that is all we saw. True, he wanted to have control over the universal lifestream, but couldn't, hence why he wanted to use a planet as a vessel. If the tainted lifestream could reach the rest of the universe, why use the planet as a vessel? And Sephiroth is not in this fight...Cloud has nothing near what they displayed.

2. And Cloud never even FOUGHt Omega. Oh, and it was made quite clear that in terms of power, Omega was by far the strongest WEAPON.

3. Cloud's blade in thickness is like...An inch long maybe. Does that equal a ton? No. And Cloud's sword DOES have holes in it btw.

Sephiroths NL, was atleast midgar, before the fight started it was daylight, after Sephiroth summoned the NL, and it showed all of midgar from top view you can see it was all dark, and during the fight as far as the eye can see the NL stretched out, and normally if you look into the distance you should beable to see mountains from different cities and clouds on the outskirts of the city, however during that fight the NL was all you can see in the distance.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
im not talking about his sword in advent children, i am talking about his buster sword. his bike isnt a normal bike, looking at the stunts he can pull off it, its final FANTASY people! and no HUMAN can swing a 200 kg sword, either, and yet cloud isnt HUMAN, and the sword does weigh a ton.

Read what I said again... Even a solid chunk of metal that size isn't a tonne...

I love it when people thumbtack on an arghument I never made... I didn't say he was human, nor did I say the bike was average. BUT, no 2 wheeled vehicle is capable of carrying a tonne, let alone carry a tonne AND perform those stunts.

Buildings aren't made out of metal, they're concrete.

What?

Don't know why your even bothering with this leonheartmm guy he'll just give you a bloody headache in the end.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Don't know why your even bothering with this leonheartmm guy he'll just give you a bloody headache in the end.

That one random post of his made me laugh 😄 (no offense to leonhm)

And me thinks this was made out of spyte. 😕

For god sakes people. Quit bowing down to your Ryu cardboard cut outs and open your friggin eyes and see that Cloud can easily defeat Ryu. Hell, Cloud can defeat Ryu in a fight while he's on the phone with Tifa.

Originally posted by DX5
lolz

That one random post of his made me laugh 😄 (no offense to leonhm)

And me thinks this was made out of spyte. 😕

Go check out some of his other debates and you will know why i said what i said

He just keeps bringing up more stuff making out he knows more info about this or that character then anyone else and he fails to accept this or that character loses or wins.

And with that I hope this thread goes straight to hell. 🙂

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. You have no proof that Sephiroth's control over the lifestream went beyond Midgar, since that is all we saw. True, he wanted to have control over the universal lifestream, but couldn't, hence why he wanted to use a planet as a vessel. If the tainted lifestream could reach the rest of the universe, why use the planet as a vessel? And Sephiroth is not in this fight...Cloud has nothing near what they displayed.

2. And Cloud never even FOUGHt Omega. Oh, and it was made quite clear that in terms of power, Omega was by far the strongest WEAPON.

3. Cloud's blade in thickness is like...An inch long maybe. Does that equal a ton? No. And Cloud's sword DOES have holes in it btw.

do you know what jenovah is? she is the abominable thing which fell from the HEAVENS. jenovah absorbed the lifestream of MANY planets and god knows what else before she came to midgar. and her power was fused and evolved by sephiroth, it was the "will" of the universal lifestream that led to her{and hence sephiroth's} inevitable defeat{the will of life, as shinra said}. bizaaro/safer sephiroth were both more than planetary destroyers as a result. {as was aerith apparently with her holy}. i cant say for sure about sephiroth in advent children, despite cinematics, he weas weaker in all respects to the previous boss incarnations of sephiroth. he was ATLEAST planetary and probably more.

true, cloud never fought omega, he fought ruby and ultima. omega might have been the strongest WEAPON, but chaos is still not stronger than cloud and omega is still not stronger{perhaps equal at best} than A.C sephiroth and definately not bizaaro or safer sephiroth. pay attention to what they were doing, omega was just a VESSEL, to save the lifestream of MIDGAR. thats the extent of it.

clouds blade in thickness is more than an entire hand's length. {the buster sweord, dwarfs his enclosed hand on the grip when he weilds the sword.

banana is a good source of potassium

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
then stop it.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
yeah right, friendly match or not, the fact is his strongest moves can't even KO a mid tier..

Now if yur next post aint "Oooooooh I get it" or something along those lines I will have to discontinue this debate, cuz it's obvious yur only gonna hear or sholud I say listen to what you want.

And who in the hell said Hugo was mid tier? I have never seen a story-wise tier list of SF.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
did I heard after 10 years hugo became stronger? then who is hugo after 10 years? a boss character? a high tier? or a god tier? he's still in the mid tier. so stop overhyping that big bale of rice.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
then watch this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKdYaGDRpek

bahamut was fell badly. how could a slash could bounce something? brecause bahamut is hard? true. but without a strength, you can't

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
you said before :

so, yeah. you underestimate bahamut sin. how could something without weight could cause a big sound when he landed? logic proofs he's heavy. nuff said.

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
can't KO a pro wrestlers with his strongest move<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<killing a giant dragon without his strongest move.

1. Cloud had a GIANT SWORD

2.Ryu wasn't at full power

3.Even if Ryu KOed Hugo, hell even if he killed him, killing a Dragon is a much better feat. I never said Ryu would beat Cloud just that it wasn't a stomp and that Ryu is physically stronger.

Are you guys even listenin...God, you guys need to re-enroll back in school, cuz yall postin like retards.

when are you going to stop with the whole ryu doesn't want to kill with his moves crap? you've already been proven wrong by several sources. FAIL.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
no, even the style of drawing ki is different AND any move that was lethal, Gouken didn't teach it to ryu and ken.

Originally posted by Sado22
YOU WA SHOCK!

Originally posted by Sado22
seriously, so what are you arguing with me about then, sherlock? i'm telling ya that ryu's style is nonlethal and so far you're only proving me right.

Originally posted by Sado22
are you seriously telling me that Gouken didn't teach them SGS and the darkhadou but taught them all the other lethal arts of the original ansatsuken?

Originally posted by Sado22
you DO know that it kills the whole point of him being deadset against killing right?

Originally posted by Sado22
...ryu's fighting style is NONlethal.

Originally posted by Sado22
as tiamat, saiki and everyone else who know anything about ryu and his fighting style would tell you. darkhadou is another story.

Originally posted by Sado22
as it stands, ryu's moves are nonlethal because that's the version he was taught.

Originally posted by Sado22
if he wants to kill someone, he enters Dark hadou....something he's already given up.
so no.

Originally posted by Sado22
you're missing the point. the style of drawing ki is different. if you're not convinced, how about you just look at the way both channel for the shakuunetsuhadouken then? Gouki goes into horse stance and then pulls it off. ryu simply gathers his hands together like he does for regular hadouken's and specals. which is what i've been saying: gouken changed the style a lot, toned it down to a non-lethal thing AND changed the style of drawing ki. pay attention.

Originally posted by Sado22
i meant the only move he consciously tones down. all other moves of ryu's are nonlethal. with shakuunetsu, he tones down the firepower so that his opponent is not too badly burnt.

THE STYLE RYU WAS TAUGHT IS A TONED DOWN VERSION OF ANOTHER STYLE. RYU KNOWS HOW TO TURN THE STYLE UP TO LETHAL LEVELS. BY DOING THAT HE IS USING THE ORIGINAL STYLE, HE CAN MAKE HIS NONLETHAL MOVES 100% LETHAL.

Originally posted by Sado22
Shinshoryuken is his mightiest technique as he said himself...and he failed to KO Hugo. period. staright out of SF guides and tiamat guide.

If you read the OFFICIAL SF guide they say Hugo survived it as if it were an awesome feat, not as if Ryu's ShinShoryuken is weak.

Originally posted by Sado22
no, if his art IS a nonlethal version of ansatsuken then he can't. that's why he needs to be Emo Ryu to pull that shite off. that's why the only time he badly hurt someone was when he went Emo Ryu for the first time against Fagat in SF1. since then he hasn't come even remotely close to killing someone.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
when are you going to stop with the whole ryu doesn't want to kill with his moves crap? you've already been proven wrong by several sources. FAIL.

~Sado

You suck at this, stick to playin Tekken, yo.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
HE DIDN'T USE IT AT FULL POWER, RYU DID NOT WANT TO KILL HIM

Now if yur next post aint "Oooooooh I get it" or something along those lines I will have to discontinue this debate, cuz it's obvious yur only gonna hear or sholud I say listen to what you want.

And who in the hell said Hugo was mid tier? I have never seen a story-wise tier list of SF.

for someone like ryu, since he used his strongest move, at least he'll KO hugo. but he can't. so disappointing. remember gouken taught ryu and ken a toned down version of ansatsuken? shinshoryuken is his strongest move but WITHOUT killing touch on it.

you want a tier list? fine. here it is :

This tier list is generally provided by Saiki and Tiamat, by the
way.

Tier 1
Gouki, Gill, Oro, SFZ3 Final Vega, Ingrid - the strongest out of the
SFer's. They outclass everyone. These guys are in the godly range (in
some cases like Ingrid, literally).
Tier 2
SF2 Vega, Sagat, Ryu, SnH Ryu, Q(hinted) - the next
bunch
Tier 3
Ken, Gen (and SFZ Gouki), Rose, Nash, Urien, Cody, Guy, Cammy? (FF : SW),
Kyle?, Haggar?
Tier 4
Guile, Chun-Li, Hugo, Sodom, Rolento, Balrog, Twelve (hinted), Maki
Tier 5
Adon, Sakura, Bison, Cammy, Zangief, Dhalsim, T Hawk, Alex, Eagle
(Saiki places Cody and Guy here, but I think they should go higher)
Tier 6
Everyone else but Tier 7 (things get really sloppy here, due to how most
characters below tier 5 do not have enough storyline info to tier on
noncircumstantial evidence). A pretty good guess, I think, would be this
(consider the rest of the characters in this tier and below to just be
hinted)
Tier 6
The Twelve Dolls, Karin, Birdie, Necro, Dudley
(Saiki places Rolento and Sodom here, but I think they should go higher)
Tier 7
Blanka, Fei Long, Honda
Tier 8
Makoto, Ibuki, Elena, Yun, Yang, Remy?
Tier 9
Dee Jay, R. Mika, Dan
Tier 10
Sean

P.S : I got this from plot guide. so stop asking about tiers.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
You keep bringin up this tier bullshit and I really don't know were your gettin it...pleez tell me.

someone from mid tier was overhyped since he never has any feats except lifting a ring and survived a shinshoryuken. screw hugo.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
WOW...that's exactly what i was talkin 'bout long ago, that feat is not a big deal, you make Cloud seem like Superman. The thing didn't do that cuz of the force, it did that cuz it was hurt...why can't you understand?

I'm playing fair. if I saw cloud win, I'll say he'll win vice versa.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
Lol, or it could be that he's hard....

you have the worst logic here.

Originally posted by Vampire Savior
1. Cloud had a GIANT SWORD

2.Ryu wasn't at full power

3.Even if Ryu KOed Hugo, hell even if he killed him, killing a Dragon is a much better feat. I never said Ryu would beat Cloud just that it wasn't a stomp and that Ryu is physically stronger.

Are you guys even listenin...God, you guys need to re-enroll back in school, cuz yall postin like retards.

1. to think that cloud would use his bare hand to fight ryu...

2. he's at full power. ryu's ansatsuken is a toned down version so it won't kill. (thanks to gouken)

3. I think ryu is physically stronger. agreed with you.

Dude...That tier listing was bullshit. 😐

HUGO above BISON?

Sean, below DAN!?

Gen below Sagat!?